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The Dant Family of Log Still Distillery

Having just announced their first bourbon and gin brand "Monk's Road," it seems like the perfect time to release the full interview I had with Wally, Charles, and Lynne Dant from one year ago. Hear their plans for Log Still Distillery.

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Show Notes

It was interesting listening back to this interview. It happened just over a year ago. How the world has changed. But Wally Dant and his family are still moving forward with Log Still Distillery and making great progress. In fact, they've released the name of their new gin and bourbon which I will mention in the episode.

While there are moments of this interview that have been shared before, a lot of it will be new to you. I only held onto it, because I had passed my microphone away during the recording, so my questions aren't always very loud, but I think you should be able to pick me up well enough. Wally reveals a lot of what is coming for Log Still.

Here are some of the other subjects we cover.

  • Memories of New Hope
  • The old train depot
  • Collateral damage from the loss of distilleries
  • Drinking sulfur water
  • How many jobs when it was at peak
  • Kentucky Prohibition and the impact
  • Why didn't the legit distillers turn to illegal production
  • Downfall of the rail-lines and the impact on rural distilleries
  • Bringing the rural distillery back
  • Do you have the original distillery plans
  • The current plans for the distillery
  • The Dant family tree
  • What is the history of the soon to be Log Still Distillery?
  • Minor Case and the Limestone Branch connection
  • Relationship with Steve and Paul Beam
  • What is the future for the rail line?
  • New Hope and the towns around the area today
  • The reason to come out to Log Still Distillery
  • Coon Hollow and Coon Hollow Distillery
  • Distillery ruins
  • Athertonville Distillery
  • Distillery timeline

Transcript

Before we get started with the latest episode of Whiskey Lore, I'd like to thank our Whiskey Lore Patron members for your generous support. Thanks for keeping the show viable into the future. And if you would like to become a member of the team head to patreon.com/whiskeylore

And as part of the 12 Days of Whiskey Lore, I've got some exciting new interviews to share with you, but there are also some really good older interviews that have been sitting on the shelf for various reasons - usually because my original intention was to only do fact finding mission, rather than actually using the full recordings for your listening pleasure.

But some of these interviews are really informative and while I used part of them for my episodes, there was just so much more left on the cutting room floor.

Such is the case with my interview with Wally, Charles and Lynne Dant. Way back in November of 2019, they graciously offered to help me navigate the story of their little town of New Hope, Kentucky so I could have a baseline of information for my season 2 finale about a small town and how it was affected by Prohibition.

Now, one of the reasons I didn't originally release this interview, is because a few minutes it, I actually handed my microphone over to Charles and so when I'm asking questions, I'm in the background - sort of the same way I was with the Al Young interview. For the longest time, I just thought this was unusuable. But honestly, a little engineering - and I think you'll capture most of what I am saying.

I wanted to share this not only to give you more of the information on New Hope, but also because the distillery the Dants are working on is coming along nicely and they talk quite a bit about some of the plans they have for it in this interview.

Now, there is a prediction in this episode of when it may be open to the public - but remember, that was a year ago - we had no idea COVID was coming. So, to keep up with the distillery and its planned opening you can follow them at instagram.com/logstilldistillery

And to give you even more of an indication of how far along they are, they just released their first brand name for thier gin and bourbon - it will be called Monk's Road - fittingly after the name of the road that runs by the Pottinger Station historic sign and the old Abbey. I hope you enjoy this return to New Hope. And I started the conversation by asking Wally Dant about grains and how they are going to use the land around the distillery.

We are about to head into the wayback machine as Talking to Wally, Charles and Lynn

So I guess couple different things one. We're trying to produce as much as we can off of our current property. Right so we own 240 acres here which in essence should get us to at least from a corn production perspective get us to near the level that we need to from bushels perspective for you know, it's about roughly seven thousand barrels of production a year. We're going to have to bring in malt from somewhere. Else because most there are not a whole lot of malt producers here in the state and then from a rye and wheat perspective we're going to try to do as much as we possibly can to Source locally, but it may be that we go elsewhere for some of that but ours is going to be our main products going to be a high Rye bourbon, which is what the dance family kind of started with originally was a high ride bourbon. So back in eighteen. 6 when they began, you know their production it was and has always typically been a high ride bourbon that they've produced our families the dance family sold out of this Distillery that were sitting at 1940 and then the original JW damp Distillery sold out in 1943. So our family at that point in time, we're no longer owners of the The Distillery company that boiler name? Okay, right. And so that JW dant Distillery was then owned by first Arm and Hammer and his company called National distillers, which was a you know, a company of his and then he sold this facility here and the JW dance brand in 1953 to a company called Schenley and you've had to run across them. Yeah, I guess in your in your goings on and then gently 

Eventually sold back to United sometimes I think in the early 90s, which was then, you know a few years later United became Diageo right? But but the dance brand at that point in time and 1993 was then sold to Heaven Hill distillers, which are here in in Bardstown. So Heaven Hill owns the brand today. So how tough Or is it something you want to pursue and trying to get that that name? So yeah, I mean no Heaven Hill. They've been gracious we've had conversations, right? We've had a number of conversations with that as they tell me. They're in the brand building business. Not the brand selling business and in they've done a fantastic job with a number of their brands that they have, you know, if you look at what they've done with old Fitzgerald and Henry McKenna and some of the old distillery distiller names out there. They 

Done a nice job and and bringing that around and bringing those Brands into a national basis. All that being said, you know JW Ansa bottom shelf branded a not sold in many states not sold in many quantities. And so if there's an opportunity for us to work with the Shapiro family, we're we're open to it. Let me just put it that way. Okay, very good. So are you thinking of resurrecting any old names that are family names because this was Pronounce it for me. Is it just semi Gethsemane the simony disseminated? So yeah, so that this you know used to be a you know used to have post office here, right? So used to be the kiss Emily post office and associated with the other guests MD Monastery, that's about a mile up the road. And so I guess that's why they originally called against Emily. 

And so we are potentially looking at other names that have been in our family on our family tree for a while in terms of brands that we could possibly sell some stuff under but like everybody would go through all our trademark process and make sure that they're all clean and able to use right. So yeah, but we're actually in the process of discovering ourselves what we want to be called when we grow up. 

Actually do something right so but you know our company today and I don't know if you know the name but it's called log still Distillery is what we're calling this place and that Harkins again back to the original JW Dan who started out distilling in a hollowed-out log, right? And so he's one of those old what they call the old time distillers it actually, you know, they didn't have a whole lot of money to rub between the fingers but you know any sort of copper and so he Started out in a hollowed-out, you know Oaklawn With tubes running up to the top of it, right? And so that was his column still and what they use to you know manufacture consistent product and and so prior to him having any money from you know, making it that's what he started. And so we called our company that to harken back to that history and Legacy of our family being here and and quite frankly we thought that was a pretty cool little name for us to be able to to utilize and Riff on and And make sure that our damn family heritage was included. This is the point where I take the microphone and hand it over to Charles Dance. And so you're going to hear him loud and clear and from here on out. I apologize. I'm going to be off in the distance just a little bit, but you should be able to hear me. Hopefully without too much trouble and I started off with Charles by asking him about his Recollections of New Hope. No, there were a lot of distilleries in there a I grew up half mile away and the old mansion. Will you come down walk the track visit my grandpa at The Distillery eat supper and then go do the rounds with him and always remember riding by through st. Francis. They had the old Blair Distillery and I guess the dance station with JW dant Distillery started, you know the ruins when I was a child, that's all I really remember about that, but I remember 

Nice long still Distillery very well as a child grew up playing running climbing. The tire New Hope is a great town to grow up in everybody knows everybody everybody waves at you when you go by just a lot of great childhood memories, and I know a lot of people around here depending on the whiskey industry to you know, feed their families and and you know to relax at night when you got home. Yeah, did you hear any stories of people who've Left and had two and then come back to say. Oh, you know, maybe I should come back here or or the left and they sort of feel regrets that they had had to go. Well, I know everybody, you know bottom line, you know someday wants to come home and you know, they no place like home and to me I've lived in eyesight of this Distillery or this tire. I live for five miles up the road. There's no place like new.

Just a lot of great memories and water childhood riding horses running into Creek fishing swimming, you know and had one of the biggest playgrounds around, you know, it's quite a bit of fun. Yeah jump in the train. We used to have a train run through and we jump the train ride to New Hope or just had a lot of fun back in the day in this area and I wouldn't call any other place home. So was there a is there still a train depot? I think there's one in the works, but I'm not for sure. We're going to build in and all the replica of the original train depot those down here. And you know New Hope had to stop at one point time as well the you know for us, you know, if you look back if you look back at the history of New Hope just like you said there was three distilleries located here in the assembly and 

You hope had once you like for that we're actually up into the town and new Oak right and and so prior to Prohibition all of those guys who kind of go in full board now, you know from a production perspective. They were all pretty small but once you know prohibition hit, you know, there was no more action and any of that part if you look if you got to go into the old church up there, which is Saint Vincent de Paul. All and look around at all the stained glass that's actually in the church and actually in some of the other areas around the church. They've got names associated with you know, people that have donated, you know, parts of the pieces of that that church and you know, a number of them were distillers right Charles is Charles's family on the Masterson side was and I know distiller as well and so when you when you're able to see 

Of all of those families and begin to draw a lineage back into the old distillers. A lot of it was all centered around that, you know distilling operations that they had here in this part of the county. So farming all those Industries as well. So yeah farming, you know farming and Distilling and then you know New Hope had probably at that point in time probably to Banks, I believe from what I at least what I was told anyway and No, none of that exists today. They had a number of hotels in that area and none of that exists today Sulphur Springs. You can talk about Sulphur Springs, right? Yeah. That was a big old house out back in New Hope people used to come for Miles just soak in the water and drink the water. They thought it was good for your skin good for your body if you had a big house now, they're talking about renovating and making half of it a bed and breakfast in the near future of the farm just sold here about a year. 

Go the gentleman that I want to died and sold it at auction, but it didn't in one of the presidents come didn't I want to say I thought I heard this is just all folklore. Right but I thought of president had visited Sulphur Springs at one point. Hey may have I know it was a highly sought-after place to go. See we're going Rosa doctor saying like that that it actually come here, but I'm about like you I can't drink salt water. I can't get past the smell. Yeah. It was a lot of Lot of Good child in memories I'm just I grew up right below the New Hope Church my grandmother lived there I went to school at st. Vincent de Paul for three years until it shut down I guess you know like a funding and not enough kids went on move to New Haven St Catherine but I've grown up in this area and loved it my whole life and I don't see any other place in the world that I would call home and I just glad that Walid and the dance families decided to 

Back and open this place up. You wouldn't believe the people in this area that are Just Smiles on their face and good feeling they have about something come to New Hope. It's the best thing that's happened in a lot of people's lives times and you know, everybody's just excited to see it all come together. Yeah. It was funny. We had somebody who had visiting one of his uncle's came in today, and he was just talking to us about you know, how many people this Distillery employee One point in time which is around. You know in peak season like Christmas season, you know, when you're doing all the gift packaging and things like that and you know from borrowing perspective and then you notice and he said, you know to see that all go away, you know and see the financial impact that has on the families that they know that we're living here at the time and you know having to and of course my my grandfather was one of those right he worked here. He worked here all his life and then his job was now up in Louisville, Kentucky. So, you know eventually he moved up Louisville Kentucky and leaves and you know, never to return and and so when you think about that impact just on my family alone and then just replicate that over 200 families right with all and we're good Catholics around here. We had we had big big families in those days. And so, you know, and then you begin to see that there's nothing left here for your kids to go work on right so, you know you so you begin to replicate that out and you can see 

Kind of the you know, the ultimate dying off of a community that was once a thriving thriving place. It started to shrink around 1910. It seemed was a critical year because there was seemed like there was downsizing going on. Yeah merging of company, right Taylor Williams Company merging with Cold Springs, right? And so I know it's very interesting that this area was Was very Catholic Bardstown was a diocese, correct? One of only four in the entire country so that influence being here and then to see a state who made so much revenue off of whiskey actually have their own prohibition have an innate in 1918 right a year before the country jumped into it it how can you even 

Fathom that you know, I not having lived back in that era, right? You've got to thank you know, certainly what was happening collectively as a country at that point in time, right? And so to the extent that you know, you had a number of confluences that I think we're going on back in that and that time not the least of which you know World War one I believe was beginning or in the throes of beginning at that point in time, right? So you had a country that was Kind of focused on what was happening there and you know, you had a whole suffrage movement and you know relative to probably organized crime and all of this other stuff that was probably going on that that that lent itself to creating an environment to where you would have, you know prohibition occurring now, I would tell you that if you look in with the interesting thing is this if you look out 

Past prohibition and look at the state of Kentucky for instance and look at all of the quote-unquote wet and dry counties that were created coming out of that rights to who wanted to have alcohol in their counties and who didn't want to have alcohol in their counties and you draw yourself back to that original map of the wet and dry counties. You would naturally Catholics and never gave up alcohol. Thank God and So so if you look at the number of counties that were probably highly either Urban and or the Catholic population to you had those as the designated wet counties in Kentucky. Whereas the rest was, you know, a dry county probably predominantly by the Protestant religions Baptist probably being one of the biggest denominations outside the Catholic religion tear and so, you know, and it's big part of their 

Is that alcohol is not a part of that right and so you know from a voting Bloc perspective they have the voting Bloc right and so so it's not surprising that it happened but you know the with those there were consequences to that those actions right consequences of losing jobs and families having to move and leave like Charles's family where they had to leave the the this area to go find work you know I know my great-grandfather at the time Time was in the distilling business and from 1920 to 1933 when he got back into it again you can look at this torkoal record of him trying to incorporate everything under the sun to try to make ends meet it was a own a carpet company a furniture company started a garage for vehicles you know just everything to try to make ends meet for his what was then 13 kids I think he was trying to take care of something 

Miles miles if eat You can begin to get a feeling and an understanding of kind of the impact that you know, those decisions had on people and not only that but you know, we had large whiskey stocks here, right? So you can read in the historic record. Anyway, a number of distilleries that were having Barrel stolen out of them right that were that were burned. All right, and you know the stock was not to be found. Because somebody had made off with it to go Supply, you know, all the underground bars that we're going on that time in organized crime really kicked in right So eventually it's just like, you know, let's not draw and I can to legalize marijuana, but you know when you legalize marijuana, it could be comes out in the open and there, you know, everybody's free and we'll let you know when you when you don't have it. Well guess what you have cornbread Mafia here. I guess it started, you know started growing marijuana, right? So if you look cash crops flies, right? 

Tobacco marijuana, you know all of those sort of things, you know probably were a result of some other action that was taken earlier, right because people need to live right. So now you got to figure out how you're going to laugh, right? So I'm going to live it on the legal side. I'm going to leave it on the illegal side. And you know, if you look at what's happened to rural Kentucky like in rural, Tennessee or rural West Virginia where you know, you don't have a whole lot of Axure incur or jobs anymore because it's all moved off short, right or it's all concentrated in the urban markets, you know people turn to other means and alternatives to live and all of those are necessarily get 

Now get off my political soapbox. Well is interesting I mean because we sometimes we hear about Prohibition. We don't really think about the overall repercussions and this area went through to depressions because it had the first go through the loss of its industry, right and then when it got a 1929 it had to join in with the another one, even there was there was a hope at that point that whiskey production.

Is this need to try to live somehow? Right? Right. What amazes me is that more distillers who were legit distillers didn't find a way to be take that knowledge and make money. Illegally, they all just hung out and waited and try to do other things because they were they get there at the heart of it. They were business people and they always wanted to Have that business bath if you again just harking back to our history, right? I think everyone felt, you know at some point in time we would it would come back right? I know we had Charles I think Charles mentioned it but there's also some mention in this short record about like some of the beam family moving up to Canada, right because we were allowed they were allowed to still up there in Canada as opposed to the United States right so you Had a number of those folks that moved off to do other things. I think this plant here was actually turned into a ball bearing plant made ball bearings right for a period of time and I was probably more related but they made ball bearings at one point in time right to to at least get by and do something with the ground that they had here. You know, the interesting thing is if if you really kind of look at the distilling industry and kind of how it 

Evolve to where it is necessarily today. A lot of it had to do with rail. Right? So most of the distilleries were on a rail line. Well, the reason they were on a rail line right is because you could bring coal in to power the plant and you could bring all the grains and to make your your your stuff right and so with the Advent of the interstate system and trucking you didn't eat The Rail lines anymore, right? And so because all that was going into the Big cities from an interstate perspective and all of those major lines were flowing into their well, you know from a distribution perspective. You want to be near where all of the distributions going on and so, you know, that's you know, so if you take another attribute of why rule Kentucky is the way it is you can say it's the, you know, the downfall of The Rail lines and associated with the interstate lines, right? And so you just begin to lay out kind of all of these different fact patterns out there. It began to say Hey, you know, we're going to concentrate all our time energy and effort around, you know, where the big cities are and where industry is and logistically speaking. That's where it's cheaper, right and as opposed to out here and little all New Hope or or Gethsemane, right? It's just because it was cheaper to do and produce up there than it would be here. I guess I'm just pumped. Educating about what I consider to be, you know the downfalls of the our rule markets today and the concentration if you will of practices that lead to that that downfall and I think that's the reason I'm back here right is from a legacy perspective. What we want to do is is Bring Back our family name into this bourbon be making business that we've been in since 1836, right and I'm a 6th generation. 

Shen and the five generations that have gone before us have been in that that industry right and so now for us to be able to bring that back and then bring it back and do a rural community that meant so much to my family my parents and and their parents right and to be able to bring back good paying jobs that into this community bring back tourism into this community because Kentucky's get done a great job with a Bourbon Trail and promoting that have When people from the outside visit us much like you would see in Napa Adam, California, we replicating that here on the bourbon Side and being able to bring dollars back into this community to really reorient ourselves to being a thriving little Community again, and I think that's those are the two primary reasons that yet that I came here right Legacy and community and building a community again. And so that's 

That's that's why we're doing this. So you have to understand it. You have the original plans. Yeah, so we do we actually have a government bonded book that dates from 1938 through 1954 5354. Right and because all warehousing and production was overseeing By the federal government every few years. They used to come out and inspect and say okay. What was your production capability? What was your capacity? Where did you steal and hide stuff away from us? So we can't get taxes, right? And so you they had to come out with these books that were, you know showing The Distillery layouts, right and what the production capability was and the storage capability was on every single Distillery, and we've got that for for this place as well. I'm trying to 

We created where no, so it would be too hard and part of this property is actually in a floodplain, right and so under today's rules and regulations. We can't build in a floodplain right now where you're sitting today is the old bottling house. It was built in 1953. And so we're going to take that and convert this bottling house in You are actual distilling operation. Right? So we'll run our Mash tanks and our column still and barreling all up in this facility that you're sitting in today will have an omage if you will to our old distilling site, you know, it's ruins down there and clean it all up have people that want to walk through it safely be able to walk through it safely be able to tell what these old buildings were. They were actually Lie down there, but technically since it's in some of its in floodplain, we can't do anything necessarily with that. No barrels buried out there somewhere. No, but we probably have 18 inches of glass somewhere sitting that L Glass piles of of from the dump here a long time ago. I can tell you that much. It would be nice to find some old aging barrels, but I'm I'm guessing that those would be really musty-smelling, right? 

So go through the generations then that you remember this 6 so that I can get a handle on on that so I know you yeah, so they were so the original was a is it Joseph Washington dant, right and so he began distilling and that 1836 sort of time frame at least. That's what Legend holds anyway, and we're sticking to that Legend and he would have been 16. By the way, I think that would have been the math that works out correctly on that one. Right? And and so so he had a number of children. Right? One of those was a ww dance. So following his retirement his son which was a William Washington dant became president of the JW Dan Distilling Company and that would have been 

I think in the late eighteen hundreds when when JW retired now, he had a short tenure because he actually died of typhoid in 1910 and then I want to his brothers took over that business. But so he's my great-grand great-great-grandfather and and then he had another son which was a another ww dance which was my great-grandfather and so my great-grandfather and Charles. Is is so he's fifth generation. I'm sixth generation. So Charles is Grandfather would have been Brothers, right? So that's kind of how we're all related here. And so www dot had 13 kids ten of them live to adult age and soul in who is our chief operations officer here for the company ww Dan would have been her grandfather. So one of his sons is her 

Her dad but j-dub His oldest son was named John Wallace and he's my grandfather. And then of course he had the oldest grandchild which was my dad John another John Wallace and the third and I've got 1/4 that's followed behind me. So now all the pressure is on him to have a fit nice. That's right. So I'm the sixth generation and then you know, I think one of my children will actually be involved in. And bringing in the seventh generation and do the the distilling business. So it's I was I was looking up information. I saw the in 1934 the Timken roller bearing company, huh? Yeah blot it but had other than the event had Distillery and that so so yeah, so Tim can was here before? Okay. So fire, you know prior to Prohibition ending temp can have this facility, right? And so 

Anton head bought it from Timken who is it, which is the really the way that work now Tim. Can I think owned a piece of it? Right? So I think there were some financing done by Timken to Dan head and damn head which was will dance which is my great-grandfather. He was part of so he was a dance in the den head. Okay? Okay, and then there was a George Dan the plant manager it said which I thought was interesting that it's in plant manager because it sounded like they weren't making Ski, they were manufacturing something. Yeah. Yeah. So now I think George George dant was so this is really kind of a convoluted history. Right? So originally, you know, Cold Springs here, right eventually became Taylor Williams and then he sold it to it was then a beam and head company, right and then prohibition hit Timken came in and then 

Dan head came in Dan head went through some Financial investor issues. There's a couple lawsuits that you can actually look up historically and see people suing each other and this would have been like 1938 sort of timeframe. So he opened this place in 3538. They all went into some something bad happens right to where they're suing one another from an investor perspective. They ended up selling this plant here in 1942 Arm & Hammer, right George dant who was president at least the George Stan. I know George dant was the president at the JW dance company, which is about 6 miles away from here going towards st. Francis. So past New Hope another three miles. Basically, that was the original JW dant Distillery because and that they were bought in 1943 by Armand Hammer. 

Because this was the newer facility the brand new facility basically because there's a number of these new but all these buildings A lot of them were built in that 35 36 37 time frame. They took production of the JW dant brand shut that plant down and moved all production over here to Guess that many right and so George was president of that company in 1943 when they sold the Schenley and then another of the

Others became Just to carry on the lineage, but I think it was really in name only. Yeah. All right. So Shun Lee was running the whole show at some point in time. It was interesting doing the research for this talk by looking at Limestone branches. Yeah family treat right minor case right was the owner of Taylor boy, right? Right. So right and he had had MC being hired to them, right? And so when you're doing all of this stuff, I know the thing. I love about the whiskey industry whether it's in Scotland or its here is that there is not like any other corporate situation that you see it feels so less competitive and so much more like an avalanche of different companies that are there to help each other out or be, you know are not aggressive towards each other. So as it is it interesting in looking at your history and saying that like the Yellowstone brand that was synonymous? 

This with this location young caches sylheti is with them. But there's family that's tied over from here to there right Rand and how all of that kind of works together. So do you interact at all with Steven Paul team over there in what you do or what? They've been I mean really instrumental in helping me get to the right people to help put this place together, right? So You know Steve and Paul. I've offered their help and continue to have we just looked at an email today right from Steve and continue to help us and give us advice on you know, here's the things you should look out for here's the things that you should move forward with. So, I mean now I mean, you know, the I think and Lynn just came out of moonshine University last week, right and you know one of when I think one of the common 

It's that Lynn made to me today was you know, somebody got up on their on their soapbox and was talking about. Hey, we all support one another in the in the business, right? This is not about who can beat out who sort of atmosphere. It's really about how can we help our Brethren? Because if we raise the boat, we all raise it together and I think that's probably in a lot of that mud have to do with how we are all in. Are connected in many respects from a familial perspective, right? I mean it's surprising that I have, you know, five fingers and five toes sometimes when I look back at that cousins Reebok what they say the original Kentucky Bourbon Trail all but one had to beam running it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was a beam here. That was a distiller one point time. We're actually double cousins with the Steven Paul, are you yeah. Yeah, okay, their grandmother their grandmother Mary and our grand it's a bowling then it's a bowling - yeah, yes is aren't really father. My grandfather his great-grandfather married a bowling Mary astell bowling and Marius tells brother married. My grandfather's sister Kathleen Dan. So so that's that's so literally when we say we've got, you know, five fingers and five times. We made it keep it all in the family. All right, let's see. So just so I understand kind of the communities around here. I know New Haven isn't that far from here? It's probably the I mean they had distilleries there, right? They shut down around the same time to just assuming that that probably only added to the pain pain and misery. Yes. I was going on right in this area. You did when did the railroad stop running through here Charles, you know that better than me, but it was probably in the mid seventies. I'm guessing or was it really 80s? I think if still haven't sua still running through the mid 80s because my grandmother was right over here too. So they were still running through year probably with that. It was right around the time after I graduated from college so don't don't mock me that old. Yes. 

That shit shipping whiskey back in from the These 30 40s, but these ice is what I'm trying to figure out is, you know, there were stops at just about every Distillery on that rail line and then if we're going through the depression and there and we've had prohibition at the same time why run a train because you're not going to have that much traffic, you know, I think this spur and correct me if I'm wrong ran into at least Lebanon, right? So it's part of the lnn line look, Nashville railroad at that point in time I think which is today CSX. So, you know there there were you know some plant operations that were still going on probably in some of the quote-unquote bigger town area. So this spur here that this one's off of ran into Lebanon and I'm and I don't know if it went on from there went on Campbellsville or something like that, but I'm just thinking they were probably 

At least you know some manufacturing plant. I know there's been some man in a lot of manufacturing has continued to go on down in the least 11 and market. So at some point time Ellen in found it not worthy anymore from a line perspective and decided to shut it down. And now the nice thing is is that we do have an operating rayline today because it Kentucky Railway Museum is in is in New Haven, right so that Railway Museum today. They runs tourist trains, I think from New Haven Up To Boston Kentucky not to be confused with Boston, Massachusetts, but up to Boston, Kentucky. And so we are currently working with them on making sure that that line runs from New Haven down here to guess sending so that we can actually incorporate a you know, working train depot that would allow for 

They're tourists to come visit open Distillery. So I you know, I think we would be the only working Distillery on a rail line with a stop right? And so, you know that will be part of our our traction out to our campus out here is to having you know that incorporated into our experience. What is what would you consider New Hope is that the town? Is it the post office box? Is it at this point in its existence? Well, I still refer to it as a town, I guess in my mind, right? I think when you go there, you know, you could at least from what our memories were from when we were we were growing up. It was a lot bigger back then right? And so if you look at kind of the way the town is today and 

Number of folks that have actually moved out, you know, it's if you look at the layout of the streets, right you can you can see some semblance of order right that they tried to order the town and in a certain way and had cross streets and but you know, a lot of those houses are gone then used to be on all of those Corners up there and SS, you know to the extent that we can be a part of building our community back. I think that's you know, that's I think that's what What interests us the most right is because you know, once you bring back Commerce, then people come back and people follow Commerce. And so if you can bring back Commerce into this Market again, and give people a reason for them to stay and there they see that there's a future right. I really believe that you know, we're going to see some some great growth out here. I mean because in reality, we're six eight miles away from Loretto, Kentucky maker 

Arc right so from The Bourbon Trail perspective we're right there we're a mile away from the Trappist monastery here we're two and a half miles away from New Haven and 15 miles away from Bardstown right so another major part of the Bourbon Trail and so I think there's a number of reasons for people to come and visit with us and it is long as you give them a great experience and a place to you know not only Have adult beverages right and that's what we're all about is having adult beverages but we're going to build the campus here that's going to be attractive to families right so you know this we're going to have 14 acres Lake out here so we want people to come and stay fish picnic we're going to have a live music event space restaurant Visitor Center you know to really kind of make make this a special place plus bed and breakfast will have an event space area it's weird Things potentially corporate events things like that. Very nice. Hey, we're pretty excited about it. Bring it back bring it back. And I don't know if you had a chance if you didn't see it when you walked in, but I didn't know if you noticed that water tower. Right so that water tower was setting constructed in 36 37 sort of time frame. And so that was kind of our initial first pass. It's saying raising their hand and saying hey, we're back. We're here right and I think you're going to continue. 

See that as we move along. Yeah. So how long do you think it's hard to put a time frame on it? So she tells me that we're going to be doing it in the first quarter 2021. Okay, she tells him that because he told her that. That's right. That's right. Perfect. Only other question I have is about the little town that were the reason I was asking about New Hope is a town is because there used to be distillery in Coon Hollow. Yep. And is what is cool does it have a Post Office boxes just like a Township or something or what? Would you consider that to be a blank or you'll miss it? It's no town. It's just a back road. 

Do you houses, you know, maybe ten twelve houses on Kuhn Hollow Road? Yeah, just a little background. I don't even know where The Distillery ruins are on that road, but definitely not a town. Yeah. Yeah. We were sitting that was it. Yeah, they the interesting thing for me right is that they were two locations for Coon Hollow if you can look it up historically and see kind of so therefore the original first location was where Charles 

Talking about which is kind of that what they call Coon Hollow Road, which is where my mom was born and raised over Kunal Road. And in Charles's wife was born and raised off Canal or Haul road and so somewhere back in there and I think it was kind of in that that first part when you first go back on a coon. Our that Distillery was originally located if I can remember what my great-grandfather was was telling me at one point in time and then and then they actually moved it. It to the other side of New Hope and I'm not sure why that was done. But I but I believe it was because there was a fire at the original Distillery location, right? And so then he picked up and moved and built somewhere else. And I think that's the stored information that I remember at least reading them out. So the but that's Kunal and if you ever want to go back Kunal and we can always drive you back you can actually get

It's funny because I was talking to somebody yesterday. He wasn't getting what I was meaning because I guess because I'm the only one that's interested in this sort of thing. But you know Peerless when they say one of the biggest in the state at one point, but they were in Henderson, Kentucky. Yeah, and so I asked him I said are there any ruins of the old or is the building still in existence for Peerless Anderson? He's there's no distilleries in Anderson that I said no like a ruin, you know, like or is this time left now? There's no distilleries. Is there a decelerates on now? He's not distilleries in Henderson, Kentucky. I'm like, right, you know, I know over and I want to say 

Over in the Lexington area Versailles area that they were doing some excavation around some of the old distillery sites over there doing the same same for Roses wizard across the street from there what Distillery that they have the foundation of Rights anyway, right? Right, and if you can go into like castle and key and kind of see what they've done and I think I can remember who the other one is right now, but you know there. 

A lot of them are using China some of the quote-unquote old equipment like an old, you know Furman fermentation tanks, which probably I think more looks like a pool right the necessarily a tank, but you know, you've got some of that and so we've got the same thing down here you could go, you know, just down over the hill, right, you know less than 200 yards and you'd be on top of what the foundation of the old fermenting tanks right and you can see those there well made out and actually do if you do a Google map on Our location and then just to zoom in you can actually see some of those outlines of the fermenting tanks that were down there. That's right. 

And so that's part of the reason why people down there that we can't really build a thing. Right? Well the other one that's interesting is the Old Crow If you go down Glenn's Creek because now it's ones creep distill distill. Good night, but they said well you can walk out there just don't go in any buildings but so interesting to see the way that you know, it's there's another one. That's literally Right outside a New Haven which is 1/3 and Bill and Atherton Ville had a big Distillery bone by the Atherton family went fine time. I just got it's called a third Anvil but Seagram's I wanted as well, but it's a big brick building you cannot miss it. Just the only place literally it's two miles outside of New Haven and it's going towards Hodgins Ville where President Lincoln was born and raised but right in that 

Tengo, you can see, you know, existing brick building that used to be the Distillery there and then behind it used to set a number of brick warehouses and they're all gone now, but that old distillery is now repurposed for making bourbon barrels, right? And so it's called Zach Cooperage. And so they're making are actually making barrels for the bourbon industry and you know if you walk through there. What you can do they'll give you a tour and things like that, but it's it's interesting this see what the layout of it used to look like and how it's being repurposed today. Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty building from the outside you go. Okay, what was that? It looks like an old distillery, right? And then and then there we repurpose it for them Barrel making yes, interesting seeing the pictures when you through these old distilleries look like and there's not a lot of pictures so, you know what? I think we've been fortunate that for whatever reason. 

U of L archived and number of photos from here of the operating distillery in the 1960s, so they're actually aerial shots at that time we've got there's about five or six of them that actually take you through different views of The Distillery, but it was an operation you can actually see the, you know, the the boilers that were working at the time and the lake that was operating and the steam that was coming off the lake because that's where they used to You know take cool down the water coming off the boilers. So, you know, it's a it's a pretty cool site then you know, then you can overlay that with ruins and then you can be in the begin to see and our plans then you can begin to say okay. Well, here's what this building was used for heels, right? So it's pretty cool little little thing. Well, thank you so much for snow traffic true. Thank you very much. Yeah. 

Excite, it's fun. I've been on. Distillery tours, this is the first Distillery tour. I've been on where there's not really a Distillery is so common good tap. Yes.

It is also the only distillery I've ever been to where, rather than a sample of whiskey, I left with a dozen fresh eggs...still a win in my book.

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