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Ep. 98 - North Carolina's Whiskey Past and Present

JASON & JEANNE QUEEN // Cook's Mill Bourbon

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Did you know North Carolina has a long history of making whiskey? Join me as I chat with Jason and Jeanne Queen who are bringing back that old tradition, while preserving a grist mill that goes back to the very origins of the state of North Carolina. We'll taste their bourbon, talk NC agriculture, and what it takes to start a whiskey brand in the Tarheel State.

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Drew Hannush:
Welcome to Whiskey Lore, The Interviews. I'm your host, Drew Hanisch, the Amazon bestselling author of Whiskey Lore's travel guide to experiencing Kentucky bourbon and experiencing Irish whiskey. And today I am going to the state I grew up in, North Carolina, to talk about a little bit of Carolina whiskey history, dig into the history of a historic mill that may have had a little bit of a whiskey history itself, and also learn about Cook's Mill straight bourbon whiskey. which is a new spirit that is catching a lot of people's attention. Dusty Dan's been on the show before he did a recent review on it and gave it high marks. Fred Minick has done reviews on it and given it high marks. And so we'll talk a bit about the whiskey as well as we get into this. So welcome to the show. The founders of Cook's Mill, Jason and Jeannie Queen. How are you guys

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Bye,

Drew Hannush:
doing? How are you guys

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
mate.

Drew Hannush:
doing?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Good, how are you?

Drew Hannush:
I'm doing good, doing good. So it's fun to chattel North Carolina whiskey history because I've been doing all this digging into Tennessee's whiskey history. And so I'll pick your brain on a couple of things that I've come across. But first, kind of give us an idea of how you discovered this old mill. And I'll talk a little bit about the mill that got you. eventually involved in creating this whiskey.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, you want to start? I'm sure. Um, see, it was our 10th wedding anniversary. And Jason drove me out in the middle of the woods. And he said, I was surprised.

Drew Hannush:
Thanks.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I was like, what, what's going on? So we pull up to this old mill building and he had purchased it from preservation, North Carolina,

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North Carolina

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which is

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which

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a

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is a

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near and

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near

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dear

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and dear

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to our

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to

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heart

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our heart

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organization

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organization

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in North

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in

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Carolina.

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North Carolina.

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they

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They

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preserve

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preserve.

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and work toward conservation of old buildings.

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of old buildings

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So

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so

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he had

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he had

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purchased

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purchased

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it

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it

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and was

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and

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like,

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was like

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surprise,

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surprise

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happy

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happy

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anniversary

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anniversary

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and

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and

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let's make

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let's

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a

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make

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vacation

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a vacation

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spot.

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spot

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sort of

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halfway

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halfway

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in between

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in between

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where

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where the

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we

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work

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grew

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grew

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up, he

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up

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grew

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he

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up

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grew

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in

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up

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Burlington,

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in Burlington

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North Carolina

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North Carolina

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and I grew

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and I

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up

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grew

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in

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up in

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Hillsborough,

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Hillsborough

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North Carolina.

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North Carolina

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so

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sort

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it was

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in Mevin.

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in Mevin

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the, when we

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we went

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inside,

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systems

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the systems

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still

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still

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in place,

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in place

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um, for the

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for

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mill.

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the mill.

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it was

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really

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we felt

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a vacation

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purpose

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was going

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going to be.

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Um, but

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But

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during

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during

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the pandemic,

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the pandemic,

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we

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of got

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there

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there.

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and decided we wanted to. Restore

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decided

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the milk.

Drew Hannush:
we wanted to restore the mill. Yeah. So how much did you know about the history of the mill? Was it the mill, Jason, that you had passed by and you were curious about, but you didn't really know the history, or was it something that you kind of already knew what it was all about? I didn't know

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I didn't

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the mill

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know the mill at all.

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at all.

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It came

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It came.

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through Preservation North Carolina's listserv

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serve

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for sale.

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for sale

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And I knew

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and

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the

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I knew

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area

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the area

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and

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and

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they had

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they had

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done a little bit of early on research about the

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about

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history

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the history

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of

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the mill

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and

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same county

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same county

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I grew up

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in.

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up in

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lot

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a lot

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mills

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of mills

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back in

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back

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the day

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in the day

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in Alamance

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in elements

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kind

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I think

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of thing

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there

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were 46

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were 46

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total

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total

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and it's

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it's

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one of only

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one of

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two

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only

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left.

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two left mmm

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And

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and

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Lindley

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Lindley

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mill

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is another

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one that has.

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one that's

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really strong

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really

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ties

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strong ties

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to

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the American

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Revolution.

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served

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for

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years.

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for those

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for those

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for everybody.

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for everybody.

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whiskey

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whiskey

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for corn

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for corn

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and flour

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and flour

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and all that

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and all

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impact

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big impact

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on

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points

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were crossroads

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or crossroads

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different

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bunch of

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people.

Drew Hannush:
different That was really interesting as I was doing my research into it to see how if you really wanted to establish... and a community somewhere, the first thing you built was a grist mill because that

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.

Drew Hannush:
gave people a place to come out. You could start a trading post, yes, but trading posts could be something where people are just you put it on a river and while people are passing by, not necessarily settling, whereas the grist mill really was the establishment of a community. Yeah, it's where everybody went to. I mean, you

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, it's where everybody went to.

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know,

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I mean, you know,

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agriculturally,

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agriculturally,

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it

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it was

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was

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the staple

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destaple.

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and the center

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center

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point

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for

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of the farmers

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of the farmers

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and

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and

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selling and buying their goods.

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selling and buying their goods. So we're going all the way back to 1700s and I'm thinking it's really interesting because in doing research on Tennessee whiskey history that far back I'm really doing research into North Carolina whiskey history and one of the areas that I was curious about and I don't know how much you know about this or not but I just thought I'd throw it out there. is I've been doing research into Robertson County, Tennessee, which became a very big distilling center in the state of Tennessee pre-prohibition. And a lot of their distillers came from Edgecombe County, which Edgecombe County Tarboro is out on the western edge of the coastal plains of North Carolina. And as I was reading about it, I'm like, did they have... grist mills this far out because, and so I wasn't really finding much. There were plenty of taverns. So there was definitely a drinking culture there, but it seems like the grist mill, the grist mills in North Carolina probably went up to maybe around Raleigh, but didn't necessarily go much further than that. Does

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Yeah,

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that ring true?

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I mean, I've never thought of it, but yeah, I mean, thinking

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thinking

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through

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through

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mills

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mills

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and Eastern

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and

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North

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Eastern

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Carolina,

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North.

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they're hard to find. Um,

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Cause it's not really a corn growing area. Once you start getting that, I mean tobacco,

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Yeah,

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yes, but. Yeah. In Halifax

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I mean Halifax

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County.

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County at interstate 95, which is just east of Raleigh, is probably about the corn line, I would say, for the most part,

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Yeah.

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um, for larger

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For larger

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production

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productions.

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of corn. Um, but yeah,

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But yeah,

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you know,

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you know,

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there are

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there

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are two

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moonshine

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moonshine

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capitals

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capitals

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in North Carolina,

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in North Carolina,

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right? There's

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right?

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mountains

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the mountains

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and then the

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and then

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east

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coast

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or the east

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the state.

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of the state.

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in the

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part

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state

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of the state

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in regards

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in regards

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to moonshine,

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to moonshine,

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which is really

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which is

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interesting.

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really interesting.

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lot of swamps

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and places

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and places

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to hide.

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to hide. And,

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and slaves

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else. And

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community

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for a long,

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long time

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long time.

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internally.

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that

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and

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making

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they were making

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whiskey

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whiskey

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with rye.

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with rye. Mm-hmm

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The mountains and the moonshiners and the mountains

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and

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that you traditionally hear

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the

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about in North Carolina

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mountains

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were

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that you

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more

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traditionally

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corn

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hear about

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forward

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North

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whiskies.

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Carolina were more corn forward whiskies. Yeah, Tennessee was interesting and I don't know how much this creeps over to the eastern side of the Appalachian mountains, but rum prior to the Revolutionary War

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Yeah,

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was

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for sure.

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what everybody drank because it was the traditional drink and what was interesting was that they got their sugar from sugar maple trees. rather than getting them from the West Indies like New England was getting it. So whereas I'm sure on the coast, they were probably picking up a lot more of the molasses that was coming up from

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Yeah,

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the West Indies.

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I

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I

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just

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just always

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always

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assumed it

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assumed

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came from

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it came

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the

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from the Caribbean.

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coast.

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It's interesting. It came from locally.

Drew Hannush:
Yeah, yeah, because they had sugar shacks everywhere. And so part

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and

Drew Hannush:
of what makes this research interesting is thinking about Western North Carolina and the fact that there are distillers up there that make sugar shine. And we're always under the assumption that was because they were looking for a quick way during prohibition to get their stills. rolling and be able to distill faster. But in reality, it probably had more to do with the fact that they had all those sugar maple trees around and everybody was producing their own sugar

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Hmm.

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out of

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Interesting.

Drew Hannush:
it. So it just evolved, yeah. This is what's fun about digging back into it because there's so many assumptions that we make in terms of history and when you dig in, you know, you all of a sudden find that. places you didn't think had a particular history, like North Carolina. We don't really associate North Carolina with whiskey so much these days other than with moonshine. But one of the characters that I was following in my book to kind of demonstrate how long ago or how far back distilling in the Carolinas and Tennessee actually went was Herman Husband, who was

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Mm-hmm.

Drew Hannush:
a preacher and a... a man in the pre-revolutionary time that had basically created a mini rebellion in North Carolina. Now this is 20 plus years before the Whiskey Rebellion where George Washington had to go out to Western Pennsylvania and put that down. And Herman Husband was actually there too. And he was the last guy that was pardoned. by Washington for the Whiskey Rebellion. But so many of the distillers that I know of that became Tennessee distillers actually started out in North Carolina distilling. So the tradition was definitely there.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, for sure. It's been there a long time. And Herman's husband was one of the regulators, I believe,

Drew Hannush:
Yeah,

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in

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yeah,

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the regulator

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he was.

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movement, which was about, I don't know, five miles from the mill.

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Okay, yeah.

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You know, the battle

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So.

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elements, right?

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Yeah, 1769, 1770 era, which was when, it's really interesting to see that a lot of Tennessee's leaders, James Robertson, the father of Tennessee, came from your area, and during the regulator movement, that's when he moved out to, over the hills.

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Yeah,

Drew Hannush:
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yeah,

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to

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Yeah.

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a lot of people that moved after the regular movement to Memphis or the Memphis area.

Drew Hannush:
area. So what's interesting is how this, I mean how much did you know about North Carolina distilling history other than moonshine prior to getting into this?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
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just

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it

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here

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constantly,

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illegally

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now.

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now So was you were you more of a whiskey drinker or a bourbon drinker or a beer drinker? through the years

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Uh, I am solely

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solely

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bourbon

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bourbon

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whiskey

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now. Uh, I do drink champagne every now and then, but mainly 99% bourbon whiskey. Um, but yeah,

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you just kind of know, um, popcorn, Sutton, I think

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North County

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you know,

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kind of share

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that fame.

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but you know. Yeah. It's interesting.

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Or you drank

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it

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definitely

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growing

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had Bootshine.

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up, you know, like I definitely had moonshine growing up or backyard wine. They would call it.

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Yeah.

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Dandelion

Drew Hannush:
Vandaline

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wine.

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wine. I haven't had it, but I've heard of it. There's a lot of those things. What's funny is growing up in Asheville, being so close to Maggie Valley where popcorn Sutton was and all of that going on, you heard a lot of things. You were also always told how strong the stuff was. And so it's really interesting to now be in and seeing that there's... you know, Old Smokey making legal moonshine now. But North Carolina really didn't jump in on the moonshine game when this distillation revolution seemed to come about, which seems curious.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, it took a while, but you know, I think North Carolina has always been that way with everything they do. Like, you know, it's for good or bad, it's a pretty

Drew Hannush:
It's a

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conservative

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pretty conservative

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state.

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state.

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spirits,

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cannabis,

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cannabis,

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anything,

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anything,

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right? And

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right?

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I think

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path.

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path.

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mean, it's cranked

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up in the

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last

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in the last

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years. I

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years.

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mean,

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growth

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growth

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of distillers

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of distillers

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across

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across

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state

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the state

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is

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is

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exponential.

Drew Hannush:
exponential. Yeah. What, was there a point where it was really opened up for distilling? Was there, was there a law change or something that kind of spurred it on?

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You know,

Drew Hannush:
You know,

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I think

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think

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so.

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know

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the history

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know the history

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well enough

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to

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enough to

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say, but

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think 2013

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or so

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here in North

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here

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in North Carolina

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launched.

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launched.

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here now. Yeah. So talk about the shape that the mill was in when you first got to it. Because I think about a 1700s mill, and I'm thinking, man, if that thing wasn't really kept up over the years, it could... definitely fall into disrepair very easily. So what kind of state did you find it in and were the millstones still there?

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Luckily, yes,

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Yes,

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all the

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grindstones.

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the grindstones.

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total.

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total.

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how intact

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how intact

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it is.

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it is. Is it something that sooner or later you want to turn into a tourist kind of a spot, or is it something that you're, you still want it to be that weekend getaway location

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No,

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for

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tourist,

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agriculturally

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tourism,

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in Raleigh,

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in Raleigh.

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and

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where we wanna be.

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where we wanna be. Yeah, when you see a distillery like Iron Root in Texas, they are trying to breed their own strains of heirloom corns

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.

Drew Hannush:
on top of that. And there is this sense that corn is corn, but I think the reason that people get that impression is because... like the Scots do in Scotland, a lot of them use the same yeast strain. They just use a standard yeast strain and then everything else is what matters with it. In the U S it seems like corn is sort of taken for granted. And it, the deal in Ireland was the fact that accountants got into it and said, you know what, we can't keep using these low yielding Barley's we need to go with this standard barley that works for getting the most yields out And it caused a lot of these barley's to just disappear Because there was no need for them anymore. And so you kind of get a sense that corn You

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Okay.

Drew Hannush:
know, maybe suffering from that same sort of a situation

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Yeah, absolutely. And if you look at an heirloom of anything, there's like all these heirloom, you know, resurgence

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resurgence

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in

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had to

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really

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careful with our farmers and making sure that there's enough separation between different types of corn and

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and...

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maybe

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just standard corn because there's huge cross

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pollination.

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stuff. Yeah. So did you guys have a somewhat of a farming, uh, background when you got into this or are you really relying heavily on, uh, on NC States and other resources outside to help you through this? I

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well.

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for sure. Yeah.

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at. Okay, so there is a, because right now you are sourcing the whiskey as I understand it.

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distilled bottles stored in North Carolina. Okay. So talk about that process of getting started with your own whiskey. First of all, was there a baseline whiskey or something that you were shooting for or did you kind of have your own impression of, no, I just know this is what I want?

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everything

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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
necessarily, but we knew the direction and the bourbons we wanted to be compared to from a quality perspective.

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necessarily, but we knew the direction and the bourbons we wanted to be compared to from a quality perspective. Yeah, well the challenge then becomes working with your distiller and trying to translate that all to them and it would probably be beneficial to have somebody who's been distilling for some time to be able to work that. Did you go through a series of barrels? and do tasting of barrels and kind of work along with the distiller from their current stock of

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a couple, there's a handful of them. Yeah, I mean, they already call themselves bourbon, right? But

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because if you just call something whiskey, the standards in American rules are pretty Slack. So

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yeah, so you're talking about, you know, your bottom shelf stuff. It could be in the used barrel. It could be, you know, distilled higher, all the rest, all that. So, so it definitely makes sense. Bourbon is a, is a great term for that. What's interesting is watching distillers in Tennessee who are making Tennessee straight bourbon and ignoring going for the Tennessee whiskey designation, just

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
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Drew Hannush:
to be,

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just to be different. on what it is. But the reason I ask that question too is because it seems like you are doing everything you can to make sure that you're using North Carolina products. From what I understand, even your barrels are North Carolina sourced? The barrels aren't

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our coop ridge. Oh, okay, we'll keep keeping it mountain based, at least

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Drew Hannush:
anyway there, yes. Try to find one in North

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Drew Hannush:
Carolina.

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to find one in North Carolina.

Drew Hannush:
Yeah,

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Yeah.

Drew Hannush:
well, and that is always gonna be, that their coopers just aren't around anymore, they're just very specific places and. If you try to find a Cooper in North Carolina, it's probably gonna be a pretty expensive barrel, I would imagine. But it'd be interesting to know whether these, because I haven't really interviewed Coopers on the podcast before, and it'd be interesting to know if places like Kelvin Cooperage would actually allow you to bring in. barrels from out of Kentucky and have them make them there and then ship them back to you so that you could do that. Yeah, I don't

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, I don't know.

Drew Hannush:
know. Make it completely North Carolina. You also use rye and I understand your rye doesn't come from North Carolina, but the question is, Highwire is making a... Rye whiskey out of a rye that they're growing in South Carolina that they had found a strain I think it's called Paris or something. I can't remember but

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I know they have an Abruzzi ride or use an Italian ride that

Drew Hannush:
Yes,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
also grows in North Carolina

Drew Hannush:
that's it

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and we actually use that as well. I think I misspoke a previous podcast, but our ride is from

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is

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
North Carolina. The Malted Barley

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from

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is not.

Drew Hannush:
North Carolina. The malted barley is not. Okay, okay. So talk a little bit about the road to getting a whiskey on the shelf in North Carolina and elsewhere. Growing up in North Carolina, knowing the three tier system and knowing how hard it is to get a whiskey on the shelf. or to find a whiskey on the shelf, what is the challenge to trying to get whiskey on the shelf in North Carolina? It

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
It is

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is

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
damn near

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damn

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
impossible.

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near impossible. It is the hardest

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
It is the hardest thing

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thing.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that we've had to do from a startup

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startup

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
spirits

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spirits

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
company

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company

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to date.

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today

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There's

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There's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
a hundred,

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a

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I

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hundred and

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don't even

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I don't

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know

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even

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anymore,

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know

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176

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176

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boards

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boards

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in North

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in

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Carolina,

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North Carolina

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ABC

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ABC

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boards.

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boards,

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There's only

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there's

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a hundred

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only a

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counties.

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hundred counties.

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Some of those

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Some

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are

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of those

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dry.

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are dry

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have

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some

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you have

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counties

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some counties

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that are three

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there are

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or

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three

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four,

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or four

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the boards

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in

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and

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one.

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And

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and

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most times

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they

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don't talk

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to each

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all.

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at all

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And there's some

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There's

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that are

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some that

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awesome.

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are awesome

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Right, and they get it and know what they're doing and love North Carolina products

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products

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and

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and

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New Hanover

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New Hanover

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County,

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County,

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for example,

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for example,

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was

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was

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awesome

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to work

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to

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with.

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work with.

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put

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put

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our

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in every

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shelf

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and every

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in

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store

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immediately,

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day.

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same day.

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Other ones

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skews

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skews

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and larger

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and larger

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conglomerates

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conglomerates

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and the

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in

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in.

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in most

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are the ones

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sits

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on the shelf.

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and see

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and

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where

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they're

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putting

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it and

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shelf

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space,

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space

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whether it's

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on the

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it's

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on the top

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shelf

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shelf

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of the bourbon

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of the bourbon

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or the bottom

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or the bottom

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or in the

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or

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in the

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Carolina

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North Carolina

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section

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section

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or both.

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or both

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I mean, there's

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I mean

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there's

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many

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variations

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there.

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there

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get

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everybody,

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of everybody

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do your

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do

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your tastings

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get into

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all

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into

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all

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boards.

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the boards and then

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educate

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educate

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the hospitality

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the hospitality

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sector

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sector

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around

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around

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those boards

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that it's

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that it's

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available

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available

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for them to

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for them

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order

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to

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from.

Drew Hannush:
did you

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Out of

Drew Hannush:
yeah

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
state was complete opposite. It was like how it should be, in my opinion. It was unbelievable. We launched in October in North Carolina of 2022 with

Drew Hannush:
two

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
7,500

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with 7,500

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
bottles.

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bottles.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And

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And

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
we sold

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we sold

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
three

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three

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times

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times

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that amount

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that amount

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in one

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in

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week

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one week

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in March

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in March

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in South

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in

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina

Drew Hannush:
South Carolina

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
when we

Drew Hannush:
when

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
launched.

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we launched. Wow.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Um, three times

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Three

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
what

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times

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
we

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what

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have

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we

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
sold

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have sold

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in North

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in

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina

Drew Hannush:
North Carolina

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
since October.

Drew Hannush:
since October. Yeah.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Uh, so whatever

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So whatever

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we sold

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we sold

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in six

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in six

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
months in

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months

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
October.

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in October,

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From October

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from October

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to March

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to

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in

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March

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North Carolina,

Drew Hannush:
in North Carolina,

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we tripled

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we tripled

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in South

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in

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina

Drew Hannush:
South Carolina

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
within the

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within

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
first,

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the first, I

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I don't know,

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don't

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10

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know,

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days

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10

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of

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days.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
being

Drew Hannush:
Yeah.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in South Carolina.

Drew Hannush:
Well, then you send all your friends down across the border to,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.

Drew Hannush:
yeah. That's why our local shop here, they'll post, price in North Carolina, price in South Carolina. The difference

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.

Drew Hannush:
I say between North Carolina and South Carolina to me is that if you're trying to find a hard to find whiskey and you don't want to pay an exorbitant rate for it

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Alright,

Drew Hannush:
if it

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
alright.

Drew Hannush:
actually does exist, then you go to North Carolina because they don't price gouge there. Whereas you go...

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.

Drew Hannush:
I found a bottle of Jack Daniels 10 year the other day. It's a $80 price point and they were selling it for $350 in my local

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Right, yeah.

Drew Hannush:
store. I'm

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah. Yep.

Drew Hannush:
like. Yeah. So there's, you kind of weigh it and figure out. So is, are the Carolinas the only place you're at right now or have you expanded

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We

Drew Hannush:
out?

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just

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We

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got

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just

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
licensed

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got licensed

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
two weeks

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two

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
ago

Drew Hannush:
weeks ago

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in Tennessee.

Drew Hannush:
in Tennessee. Okay.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
We're launching

Drew Hannush:
We're launching

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
online

Drew Hannush:
online

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
sales

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sales

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
across

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across

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
all 47

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all 47

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states

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states

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the next

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the

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30

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next 30

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days.

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days

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And then we're

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and then

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slowly

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we're slowly

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working our

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working

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way

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our

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
towards

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way towards.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Illinois and kind of up the

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the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Middle East or the Mid-Atlantic

Drew Hannush:
Middle

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
region of the United States.

Drew Hannush:
East or the Mid-Atlantic region of the United States. Okay. Let's talk a little bit about the whiskey itself and we'll jump in and do a tasting here as well. Talk about the process of coming up with a mash bill and where your corn is coming from.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
So the Mash

Drew Hannush:
So the Mashville,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Bill, we

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we

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
typically

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typically

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don't

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disclose,

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but

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little

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bit of a

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bit

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higher

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of a higher

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rye.

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rye.

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It's not

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95,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
just by

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just by default, or

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definition

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definition

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of bourbon.

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of bourbon.

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It's just

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rye

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rye

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
with about

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with about

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75%

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75%

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
corn.

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corn.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
The

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The

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
heirloom

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heirloom

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series

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series

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that we

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come

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with

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moving

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moving

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forward,

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forward

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the corn's

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the corn

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a little

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is a little

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more

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more

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forward,

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forward

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but we

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but

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wanted

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we wanted

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something

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something

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as a constant

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as a constant

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here

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here

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that we could

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that

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then

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we could

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benchmark

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then benchmark

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and compare

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and compare

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everything

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everything

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else that

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else

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comes

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that comes

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out too.

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and really

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making

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making

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bourbon

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bourbon

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out of North

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out of

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina

Drew Hannush:
Harkilana

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locally

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locally

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as much

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as

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as we

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much

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could.

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as we could

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so it come

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
this corn

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this corn

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came from

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came

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Catawba

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from Catawba

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County.

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County

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It's in

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it's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the Western

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in the western

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part of the

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part

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state

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of the state

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and

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and

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we have

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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
five

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have five

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different

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different

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farms

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farms

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growing

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growing

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corn

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corn

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now

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from

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from

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that

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that

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point

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think so.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
What do you think? Yeah, I mean, I think it motivates us to push the envelope and try something new and use something old to try to make something great.

Drew Hannush:
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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
This is a three char.

Drew Hannush:
This is a three char. Is a three char. Okay. I was wondering because, I mean, how aggressive is the aging on this? Are you storing these in bigger rick houses or are these in kind of a smaller facility?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
They are in a 20,000 barrel rick house. This

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in now. Okay and the reason I ask on this is that it has a maturity to the nose on this that you don't normally probably expect when you see something that says two or three years. on the bottle and that was the surprise when I was also looking at some of the reviews was the talk about, wow, here's something coming out of North Carolina. It's not a four year bottled in bond. It's a little younger than that, but it's still coming across really, really nicely with a lot of different bits of character to it and nothing that's really showing youth on it.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, well thanks. That's a lot has

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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
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Drew Hannush:
We did have a lot of that. I can imagine. Yeah. Well, did you go through, uh, through losing taste and smell at any point during the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
No, luckily.

Drew Hannush:
Yeah, no, that was not fun. When I had that, I was without for six months. And you

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man.

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talk about feeling lost, especially when I'm supposed to be reviewing whiskies on my

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Alright.

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YouTube channel. It's like, well, and the sad part was, I mean, I kind of agree with you, Jason, in terms of, you know, there's this doubt about your own palate because you kind of know what you like and I really didn't pay that much attention to. whiskeys before, now that I've flooded myself with whiskeys from around the world, it's opened me up and gotten me to a point where, okay, now I'm starting to notice things that aren't there. But I still lean on those tasting notes

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, for sure.

Drew Hannush:
because they can kind of help you. The thing that is tough with bourbon is that you can get very much into just that... Caramel note, the nutty oak coming in, and a little rye. And you just look for those three things every time you pick up a whiskey and you miss. What else is going on there? So, your whiskey will be a good one for me to demonstrate that yes, you can even get Big League Chew out of a whiskey. Nice. Even add...

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Nice. Yeah, even add an ice cube and where the water is from. I mean, it completely changes the drink. And you could have

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Yeah. Well fantastic. Are you going to do, well in terms of this particular whiskey, will this always be in your collection of whiskies?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yes,

Drew Hannush:
Yeah.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
this is the flagship bottle that will be there forever. It's our constant. It's

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North Carolina

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entire

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entire

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state.

Drew Hannush:
state. Very nice, very nice. So if people want to learn more about you or keep up with what is going on with Cook's Mill, where's the best place for them to connect with you?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah,

Drew Hannush:
Yeah,

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I mean,

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I mean,

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email's

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email's

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great,

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great,

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but

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but

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our website,

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our website,

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cooksmealwhiskey.com,

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cooksmillwhiskey.com,

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has some

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has

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history

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some history

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on the mill

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on the

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there,

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mill there,

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Instagram,

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Facebook,

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all the social

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all the social

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media

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handles,

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Twitter.

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all over.

Drew Hannush:
all over. Fantastic. Jason and Jeannie, I really appreciate you going through, talking a little history at the beginning and then jumping in as well on, uh, on, on your whiskey and diving a little deeper into it. It's a, it's fun to see North Carolina actually now starting to move outside of the state's borders and seeing more of, uh, of, of a representation of a whiskey that, um, or, or a state who has a, Distilling tradition. It's just that thanks to prohibition in 1908. I believe it was It came to a halt and it's been waiting ever since so So thanks, and I appreciate you spending some time with us today

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Thanks for having us. Thanks, Drew.

Drew Hannush:
Welcome to Whiskey Lore, The Interviews. I'm your host, Drew Hanisch, the Amazon bestselling author of Whiskey Lore's travel guide to experiencing Kentucky bourbon and experiencing Irish whiskey. And today I am going to the state I grew up in, North Carolina, to talk about a little bit of Carolina whiskey history, dig into the history of a historic mill that may have had a little bit of a whiskey history itself, and also learn about Cook's Mill straight bourbon whiskey. which is a new spirit that is catching a lot of people's attention. Dusty Dan's been on the show before he did a recent review on it and gave it high marks. Fred Minick has done reviews on it and given it high marks. And so we'll talk a bit about the whiskey as well as we get into this. So welcome to the show. The founders of Cook's Mill, Jason and Jeannie Queen. How are you guys

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Bye,

Drew Hannush:
doing? How are you guys

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
mate.

Drew Hannush:
doing?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Good, how are you?

Drew Hannush:
I'm doing good, doing good. So it's fun to chattel North Carolina whiskey history because I've been doing all this digging into Tennessee's whiskey history. And so I'll pick your brain on a couple of things that I've come across. But first, kind of give us an idea of how you discovered this old mill. And I'll talk a little bit about the mill that got you. eventually involved in creating this whiskey.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, you want to start? I'm sure. Um, see, it was our 10th wedding anniversary. And Jason drove me out in the middle of the woods. And he said, I was surprised.

Drew Hannush:
Thanks.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I was like, what, what's going on? So we pull up to this old mill building and he had purchased it from preservation, North Carolina,

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North Carolina

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which is

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our heart

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organization

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in North

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in

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Carolina.

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North Carolina.

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they

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preserve

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preserve.

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and work toward conservation of old buildings.

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of old buildings

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So

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so

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he had

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purchased

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anniversary

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vacation

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and decided we wanted to. Restore

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we wanted to restore the mill. Yeah. So how much did you know about the history of the mill? Was it the mill, Jason, that you had passed by and you were curious about, but you didn't really know the history, or was it something that you kind of already knew what it was all about? I didn't know

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I didn't

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the mill

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know the mill at all.

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at all.

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It came

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It came.

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through Preservation North Carolina's listserv

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serve

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for sale.

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for sale

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same county

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whiskey

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whiskey

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for corn

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for corn

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bunch of

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people.

Drew Hannush:
different That was really interesting as I was doing my research into it to see how if you really wanted to establish... and a community somewhere, the first thing you built was a grist mill because that

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.

Drew Hannush:
gave people a place to come out. You could start a trading post, yes, but trading posts could be something where people are just you put it on a river and while people are passing by, not necessarily settling, whereas the grist mill really was the establishment of a community. Yeah, it's where everybody went to. I mean, you

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, it's where everybody went to.

Drew Hannush:
know,

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I mean, you know,

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agriculturally,

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agriculturally,

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it

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it was

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was

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the staple

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destaple.

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and the center

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center

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for

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of the farmers

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of the farmers

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and

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and

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selling and buying their goods.

Drew Hannush:
selling and buying their goods. So we're going all the way back to 1700s and I'm thinking it's really interesting because in doing research on Tennessee whiskey history that far back I'm really doing research into North Carolina whiskey history and one of the areas that I was curious about and I don't know how much you know about this or not but I just thought I'd throw it out there. is I've been doing research into Robertson County, Tennessee, which became a very big distilling center in the state of Tennessee pre-prohibition. And a lot of their distillers came from Edgecombe County, which Edgecombe County Tarboro is out on the western edge of the coastal plains of North Carolina. And as I was reading about it, I'm like, did they have... grist mills this far out because, and so I wasn't really finding much. There were plenty of taverns. So there was definitely a drinking culture there, but it seems like the grist mill, the grist mills in North Carolina probably went up to maybe around Raleigh, but didn't necessarily go much further than that. Does

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah,

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that ring true?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I mean, I've never thought of it, but yeah, I mean, thinking

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thinking

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through

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through

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mills

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mills

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and Eastern

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and

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North

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Eastern

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Carolina,

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North.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
they're hard to find. Um,

Drew Hannush:
Cause it's not really a corn growing area. Once you start getting that, I mean tobacco,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah,

Drew Hannush:
yes, but. Yeah. In Halifax

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I mean Halifax

Drew Hannush:
County.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
County at interstate 95, which is just east of Raleigh, is probably about the corn line, I would say, for the most part,

Drew Hannush:
Yeah.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
um, for larger

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For larger

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production

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productions.

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of corn. Um, but yeah,

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But yeah,

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you know,

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you know,

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there are

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there

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are two

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moonshine

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moonshine

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capitals

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capitals

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in North Carolina,

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in North Carolina,

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right? There's

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right?

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mountains

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and then the

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and then

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to hide. And,

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you know,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Dismal

Drew Hannush:
the great decimal

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Swamp

Drew Hannush:
swamp

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and

Drew Hannush:
and

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the Quakers

Drew Hannush:
the Quakers

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
came down,

Drew Hannush:
came down, we're, you

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hid

Drew Hannush:
know,

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through

Drew Hannush:
head

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
there

Drew Hannush:
through there and

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and slaves

Drew Hannush:
slaves

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and everything

Drew Hannush:
and everything

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else.

Drew Hannush:
else. And

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They had

Drew Hannush:
they

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
their

Drew Hannush:
had their

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
own

Drew Hannush:
own

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
actual

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actual

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
community

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community

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
for a long,

Drew Hannush:
for a long,

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long time

Drew Hannush:
long time.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
internally.

Drew Hannush:
Internally

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And

Drew Hannush:
that

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
they were

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and

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
making

Drew Hannush:
they were making

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
whiskey

Drew Hannush:
whiskey

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
with rye.

Drew Hannush:
with rye. Mm-hmm

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
The mountains and the moonshiners and the mountains

Drew Hannush:
and

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that you traditionally hear

Drew Hannush:
the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
about in North Carolina

Drew Hannush:
mountains

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
were

Drew Hannush:
that you

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
more

Drew Hannush:
traditionally

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
corn

Drew Hannush:
hear about

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
forward

Drew Hannush:
North

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
whiskies.

Drew Hannush:
Carolina were more corn forward whiskies. Yeah, Tennessee was interesting and I don't know how much this creeps over to the eastern side of the Appalachian mountains, but rum prior to the Revolutionary War

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah,

Drew Hannush:
was

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
for sure.

Drew Hannush:
what everybody drank because it was the traditional drink and what was interesting was that they got their sugar from sugar maple trees. rather than getting them from the West Indies like New England was getting it. So whereas I'm sure on the coast, they were probably picking up a lot more of the molasses that was coming up from

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah,

Drew Hannush:
the West Indies.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I

Drew Hannush:
I

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
just

Drew Hannush:
just always

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
always

Drew Hannush:
assumed it

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assumed

Drew Hannush:
came from

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it came

Drew Hannush:
the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
from the Caribbean.

Drew Hannush:
coast.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
It's interesting. It came from locally.

Drew Hannush:
Yeah, yeah, because they had sugar shacks everywhere. And so part

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and

Drew Hannush:
of what makes this research interesting is thinking about Western North Carolina and the fact that there are distillers up there that make sugar shine. And we're always under the assumption that was because they were looking for a quick way during prohibition to get their stills. rolling and be able to distill faster. But in reality, it probably had more to do with the fact that they had all those sugar maple trees around and everybody was producing their own sugar

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Hmm.

Drew Hannush:
out of

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Interesting.

Drew Hannush:
it. So it just evolved, yeah. This is what's fun about digging back into it because there's so many assumptions that we make in terms of history and when you dig in, you know, you all of a sudden find that. places you didn't think had a particular history, like North Carolina. We don't really associate North Carolina with whiskey so much these days other than with moonshine. But one of the characters that I was following in my book to kind of demonstrate how long ago or how far back distilling in the Carolinas and Tennessee actually went was Herman Husband, who was

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Mm-hmm.

Drew Hannush:
a preacher and a... a man in the pre-revolutionary time that had basically created a mini rebellion in North Carolina. Now this is 20 plus years before the Whiskey Rebellion where George Washington had to go out to Western Pennsylvania and put that down. And Herman Husband was actually there too. And he was the last guy that was pardoned. by Washington for the Whiskey Rebellion. But so many of the distillers that I know of that became Tennessee distillers actually started out in North Carolina distilling. So the tradition was definitely there.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, for sure. It's been there a long time. And Herman's husband was one of the regulators, I believe,

Drew Hannush:
Yeah,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in

Drew Hannush:
yeah,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the regulator

Drew Hannush:
he was.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
movement, which was about, I don't know, five miles from the mill.

Drew Hannush:
Okay, yeah.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
You know, the battle

Drew Hannush:
So.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
elements, right?

Drew Hannush:
Yeah, 1769, 1770 era, which was when, it's really interesting to see that a lot of Tennessee's leaders, James Robertson, the father of Tennessee, came from your area, and during the regulator movement, that's when he moved out to, over the hills.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah,

Drew Hannush:
So, yeah, a lot of connections. Yeah, a lot of them,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
yeah,

Drew Hannush:
I

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
a lot

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have

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of

Drew Hannush:
your

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
your Memphis

Drew Hannush:
Memphis.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to

Drew Hannush:
Yeah.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
a lot of people that moved after the regular movement to Memphis or the Memphis area.

Drew Hannush:
area. So what's interesting is how this, I mean how much did you know about North Carolina distilling history other than moonshine prior to getting into this?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Um. Well, I think the only history we really have and growing up in North Carolina, you just know it from day one. I mean, you just hear

Drew Hannush:
just

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it

Drew Hannush:
here

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
constantly,

Drew Hannush:
constantly

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but

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but

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the distillery,

Drew Hannush:
the distillery

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
moonshine

Drew Hannush:
you know moonshine

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in the mountains,

Drew Hannush:
in the mountains

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
NASCAR,

Drew Hannush:
NASCAR

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the whole

Drew Hannush:
the

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nine

Drew Hannush:
whole

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
yards,

Drew Hannush:
nine yards

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
right?

Drew Hannush:
right

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And then

Drew Hannush:
and

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
prohibition.

Drew Hannush:
then prohibition

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And

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and

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most of

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most

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that

Drew Hannush:
of

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
IP

Drew Hannush:
that IP

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
left

Drew Hannush:
left

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and went

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and

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to

Drew Hannush:
went to

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these

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these

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
states

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states

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that had

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that had

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the

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the medicine license

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medicinal

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medicinal

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licensing

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licensing

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for

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for you

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Kentucky,

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know Kentucky

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Tennessee,

Drew Hannush:
Tennessee

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whatever

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whatever

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it was.

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it was

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And then

Drew Hannush:
and then

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it never

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it

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
really

Drew Hannush:
never

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
recovered.

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really recovered

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They just,

Drew Hannush:
they just

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anybody

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anybody

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that stayed.

Drew Hannush:
that stayed

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
did it

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did

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
illegally

Drew Hannush:
it illegally

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and did it

Drew Hannush:
and

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in the

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did

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mountains.

Drew Hannush:
in the mountains

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And

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and

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if you knew,

Drew Hannush:
if you

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you knew, and you'd have some every

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So

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now

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maybe

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and then.

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now and

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And

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then and

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that was really

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that was

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about

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really

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it

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about

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until

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it until

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I think

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I

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craft

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think crack

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breweries

Drew Hannush:
breweries

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kind of blew

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kind of blew

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up and started

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up and

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changing

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start changing

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the laws.

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the laws

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And then

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And then

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that kind

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that

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of paved

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kind

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of paved

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way

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the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
for

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way

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distilleries,

Drew Hannush:
for distilleries.

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I guess,

Drew Hannush:
I guess

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maybe

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maybe

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10, 15

Drew Hannush:
10 15

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
years ago,

Drew Hannush:
years ago

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and

Drew Hannush:
and

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that's slowly

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that's slowly

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starting to

Drew Hannush:
starting

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come online

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to come online

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
now.

Drew Hannush:
now So was you were you more of a whiskey drinker or a bourbon drinker or a beer drinker? through the years

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Uh, I am solely

Drew Hannush:
solely

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
bourbon

Drew Hannush:
bourbon

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
whiskey

Drew Hannush:
whiskey.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
now. Uh, I do drink champagne every now and then, but mainly 99% bourbon whiskey. Um, but yeah,

Drew Hannush:
But

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it's,

Drew Hannush:
yeah,

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it's

Drew Hannush:
it's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
been part

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been

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of.

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part of,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
As a North

Drew Hannush:
as

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina,

Drew Hannush:
a North Carolina,

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it's part of

Drew Hannush:
it's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
your

Drew Hannush:
part

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history

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of your history

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
from day

Drew Hannush:
from day

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
one. Like

Drew Hannush:
one.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
you just kind of know, um, popcorn, Sutton, I think

Drew Hannush:
I

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Tennessee,

Drew Hannush:
think Tennessee,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
North County

Drew Hannush:
you know,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
kind of share

Drew Hannush:
kind of share

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that fame.

Drew Hannush:
that fame.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Um, but

Drew Hannush:
But,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
you know,

Drew Hannush:
you

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there's

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know, there's

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a couple

Drew Hannush:
a couple

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of that.

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that

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You

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just

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just

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know

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know

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and

Drew Hannush:
and

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you don't

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you

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know

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don't

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how

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know

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you

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how

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know,

Drew Hannush:
you know,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
you know.

Drew Hannush:
but you know. Yeah. It's interesting.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Or you drank

Drew Hannush:
Yeah. I

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it

Drew Hannush:
definitely

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
growing

Drew Hannush:
had Bootshine.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
up, you know, like I definitely had moonshine growing up or backyard wine. They would call it.

Drew Hannush:
Yeah.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Dandelion

Drew Hannush:
Vandaline

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
wine.

Drew Hannush:
wine. I haven't had it, but I've heard of it. There's a lot of those things. What's funny is growing up in Asheville, being so close to Maggie Valley where popcorn Sutton was and all of that going on, you heard a lot of things. You were also always told how strong the stuff was. And so it's really interesting to now be in and seeing that there's... you know, Old Smokey making legal moonshine now. But North Carolina really didn't jump in on the moonshine game when this distillation revolution seemed to come about, which seems curious.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, it took a while, but you know, I think North Carolina has always been that way with everything they do. Like, you know, it's for good or bad, it's a pretty

Drew Hannush:
It's a

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
conservative

Drew Hannush:
pretty conservative

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
state.

Drew Hannush:
state.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And

Drew Hannush:
And

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I think

Drew Hannush:
I

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
a

Drew Hannush:
think

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lot

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a

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of

Drew Hannush:
lot

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that

Drew Hannush:
of

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
mindset

Drew Hannush:
that mindset's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
is kind of

Drew Hannush:
kind

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
controlled

Drew Hannush:
of controlled

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how

Drew Hannush:
how

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
fast

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fast

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we move

Drew Hannush:
we

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
into

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move

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
things

Drew Hannush:
into things

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
like

Drew Hannush:
like

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
spirits,

Drew Hannush:
spirits,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
distillation,

Drew Hannush:
distillation,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
cannabis,

Drew Hannush:
cannabis,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
anything,

Drew Hannush:
anything,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
right? And

Drew Hannush:
right?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I think

Drew Hannush:
I

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
all

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think

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that's

Drew Hannush:
all

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
kind

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that's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of

Drew Hannush:
kind of

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
on that

Drew Hannush:
on that

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
same

Drew Hannush:
same

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
slower

Drew Hannush:
slower

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
path.

Drew Hannush:
path.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
But that

Drew Hannush:
But

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
said,

Drew Hannush:
that

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I mean,

Drew Hannush:
said,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it's

Drew Hannush:
I

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
cranked

Drew Hannush:
mean, it's cranked

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
up in the

Drew Hannush:
up

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
last

Drew Hannush:
in the last

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
seven

Drew Hannush:
seven

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
years. I

Drew Hannush:
years.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
mean,

Drew Hannush:
I mean, it's,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the

Drew Hannush:
I mean, the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
growth

Drew Hannush:
growth

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of distillers

Drew Hannush:
of distillers

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
across

Drew Hannush:
across

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
state

Drew Hannush:
the state

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
is

Drew Hannush:
is

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
exponential.

Drew Hannush:
exponential. Yeah. What, was there a point where it was really opened up for distilling? Was there, was there a law change or something that kind of spurred it on?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
You know,

Drew Hannush:
You know,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I think

Drew Hannush:
I

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
so.

Drew Hannush:
think

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I don't

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so.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
know

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I don't

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the history

Drew Hannush:
know the history

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
well enough

Drew Hannush:
well

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to

Drew Hannush:
enough to

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
say, but

Drew Hannush:
say,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I think

Drew Hannush:
but I

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
2013

Drew Hannush:
think 2013

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
or so

Drew Hannush:
or so, um,

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kind

Drew Hannush:
kind

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of is where

Drew Hannush:
of is where

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
some of the

Drew Hannush:
some

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
bigger

Drew Hannush:
of the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
distilleries

Drew Hannush:
bigger distilleries

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
here in North

Drew Hannush:
here

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina

Drew Hannush:
in North Carolina

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
launched.

Drew Hannush:
launched.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And

Drew Hannush:
and

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
they're

Drew Hannush:
they're

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
right at

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right

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10

Drew Hannush:
at

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
years

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10 years

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now,

Drew Hannush:
now.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and I've kind

Drew Hannush:
And a

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of a lot of them

Drew Hannush:
lot

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have

Drew Hannush:
of them

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
really

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have

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
perfected

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really perfected

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what they

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what

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do,

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they do.

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but

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But

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it seems

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it seems

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like

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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
started

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started

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
about

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about

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
10 years

Drew Hannush:
10 years

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ago

Drew Hannush:
ago

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for some

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for

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of these

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some

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bigger

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of these bigger

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
distilleries

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distilleries

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that are

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that

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
here

Drew Hannush:
are

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
now.

Drew Hannush:
here now. Yeah. So talk about the shape that the mill was in when you first got to it. Because I think about a 1700s mill, and I'm thinking, man, if that thing wasn't really kept up over the years, it could... definitely fall into disrepair very easily. So what kind of state did you find it in and were the millstones still there?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Luckily, yes,

Drew Hannush:
Yes,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
all the

Drew Hannush:
all

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
grindstones.

Drew Hannush:
the grindstones.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Well, I think

Drew Hannush:
Well,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
there's,

Drew Hannush:
I think there's three.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
There's

Drew Hannush:
There's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
six

Drew Hannush:
six

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
total.

Drew Hannush:
total.

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There's

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There's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
six.

Drew Hannush:
six.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Oh, but

Drew Hannush:
Oh,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
three,

Drew Hannush:
but three,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
two pairs.

Drew Hannush:
two pairs.

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We're all

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We're

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in

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all

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place.

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in place.

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The wheel

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The wheel

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is

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is

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
intact,

Drew Hannush:
intact,

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but

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but

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slightly

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slightly

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ajar.

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ajar.

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But

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But

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the cool

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part

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all

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is

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the

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all

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mechanics

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the mechanics

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in the building

Drew Hannush:
in the building

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were really

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were really

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intact.

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intact.

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So

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So

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like the,

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like

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I don't

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the,

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know

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where we wanna be. Yeah, when you see a distillery like Iron Root in Texas, they are trying to breed their own strains of heirloom corns

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Yeah.

Drew Hannush:
on top of that. And there is this sense that corn is corn, but I think the reason that people get that impression is because... like the Scots do in Scotland, a lot of them use the same yeast strain. They just use a standard yeast strain and then everything else is what matters with it. In the U S it seems like corn is sort of taken for granted. And it, the deal in Ireland was the fact that accountants got into it and said, you know what, we can't keep using these low yielding Barley's we need to go with this standard barley that works for getting the most yields out And it caused a lot of these barley's to just disappear Because there was no need for them anymore. And so you kind of get a sense that corn You

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Okay.

Drew Hannush:
know, maybe suffering from that same sort of a situation

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Yeah, absolutely. And if you look at an heirloom of anything, there's like all these heirloom, you know, resurgence

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resurgence

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in

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maybe

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just standard corn because there's huge cross

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pollination.

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distilled bottles stored in North Carolina. Okay. So talk about that process of getting started with your own whiskey. First of all, was there a baseline whiskey or something that you were shooting for or did you kind of have your own impression of, no, I just know this is what I want?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
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everything

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from. Right, well it's the same reason that Tennessee went all in on trying to get Tennessee whiskey as a designation

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, sure.

Drew Hannush:
because if you just call something whiskey, the standards in American rules are pretty Slack. So

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah. I'm gonna lose.

Drew Hannush:
yeah, so you're talking about, you know, your bottom shelf stuff. It could be in the used barrel. It could be, you know, distilled higher, all the rest, all that. So, so it definitely makes sense. Bourbon is a, is a great term for that. What's interesting is watching distillers in Tennessee who are making Tennessee straight bourbon and ignoring going for the Tennessee whiskey designation, just

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah,

Drew Hannush:
to be,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I am.

Drew Hannush:
just to be different. on what it is. But the reason I ask that question too is because it seems like you are doing everything you can to make sure that you're using North Carolina products. From what I understand, even your barrels are North Carolina sourced? The barrels aren't

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
The barrels aren't

Drew Hannush:
sourced

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
sourced

Drew Hannush:
in

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in our

Drew Hannush:
North

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
killer

Drew Hannush:
Carolina.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
necessarily, but they are from the Appalachian Mountains.

Drew Hannush:
Okay.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And so

Drew Hannush:
And so

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
whether

Drew Hannush:
whether

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it's

Drew Hannush:
it's...

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Ohio, North Carolina, West Virginia,

Drew Hannush:
West Virginia,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
nobody knows, I think

Drew Hannush:
nobody

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it's a

Drew Hannush:
knows,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
mix maybe

Drew Hannush:
I think

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
at

Drew Hannush:
it's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the

Drew Hannush:
a

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
end

Drew Hannush:
mix

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of the

Drew Hannush:
maybe,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
day,

Drew Hannush:
at

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
but

Drew Hannush:
the end

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
we do

Drew Hannush:
of

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
use

Drew Hannush:
the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the

Drew Hannush:
day, but we

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
West Virginia

Drew Hannush:
do use the West

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Great

Drew Hannush:
Virginia

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Barrel

Drew Hannush:
Great

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Company

Drew Hannush:
Barrel Company

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
as

Drew Hannush:
as

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
our coop ridge.

Drew Hannush:
our coop ridge. Oh, okay, we'll keep keeping it mountain based, at least

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.

Drew Hannush:
anyway there, yes. Try to find one in North

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
We tried

Drew Hannush:
Carolina.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to find one in North Carolina.

Drew Hannush:
Yeah,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.

Drew Hannush:
well, and that is always gonna be, that their coopers just aren't around anymore, they're just very specific places and. If you try to find a Cooper in North Carolina, it's probably gonna be a pretty expensive barrel, I would imagine. But it'd be interesting to know whether these, because I haven't really interviewed Coopers on the podcast before, and it'd be interesting to know if places like Kelvin Cooperage would actually allow you to bring in. barrels from out of Kentucky and have them make them there and then ship them back to you so that you could do that. Yeah, I don't

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, I don't know.

Drew Hannush:
know. Make it completely North Carolina. You also use rye and I understand your rye doesn't come from North Carolina, but the question is, Highwire is making a... Rye whiskey out of a rye that they're growing in South Carolina that they had found a strain I think it's called Paris or something. I can't remember but

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I know they have an Abruzzi ride or use an Italian ride that

Drew Hannush:
Yes,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
also grows in North Carolina

Drew Hannush:
that's it

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and we actually use that as well. I think I misspoke a previous podcast, but our ride is from

Drew Hannush:
is

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
North Carolina. The Malted Barley

Drew Hannush:
from

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
is not.

Drew Hannush:
North Carolina. The malted barley is not. Okay, okay. So talk a little bit about the road to getting a whiskey on the shelf in North Carolina and elsewhere. Growing up in North Carolina, knowing the three tier system and knowing how hard it is to get a whiskey on the shelf. or to find a whiskey on the shelf, what is the challenge to trying to get whiskey on the shelf in North Carolina? It

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
It is

Drew Hannush:
is

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
damn near

Drew Hannush:
damn

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
impossible.

Drew Hannush:
near impossible. It is the hardest

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
It is the hardest thing

Drew Hannush:
thing.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that we've had to do from a startup

Drew Hannush:
startup

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
spirits

Drew Hannush:
spirits

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
company

Drew Hannush:
company

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to date.

Drew Hannush:
today

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
There's

Drew Hannush:
There's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
a hundred,

Drew Hannush:
a

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I

Drew Hannush:
hundred and

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
don't even

Drew Hannush:
I don't

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
know

Drew Hannush:
even

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
anymore,

Drew Hannush:
know

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
176

Drew Hannush:
176

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
boards

Drew Hannush:
boards

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in North

Drew Hannush:
in

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina,

Drew Hannush:
North Carolina

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
ABC

Drew Hannush:
ABC

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
boards.

Drew Hannush:
boards,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
There's only

Drew Hannush:
there's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
a hundred

Drew Hannush:
only a

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
counties.

Drew Hannush:
hundred counties.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Some of those

Drew Hannush:
Some

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
are

Drew Hannush:
of those

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
dry.

Drew Hannush:
are dry

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
So if you

Drew Hannush:
So

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
have

Drew Hannush:
if

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
some

Drew Hannush:
you have

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
counties

Drew Hannush:
some counties

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that are three

Drew Hannush:
there are

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
or

Drew Hannush:
three

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
four,

Drew Hannush:
or four

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the boards

Drew Hannush:
boards

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in

Drew Hannush:
and

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
one.

Drew Hannush:
one

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And

Drew Hannush:
and

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
most times

Drew Hannush:
most

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
they

Drew Hannush:
times

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
don't talk

Drew Hannush:
they don't

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to

Drew Hannush:
talk

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
each other

Drew Hannush:
to each

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
at

Drew Hannush:
other

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
all.

Drew Hannush:
at all

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And there's some

Drew Hannush:
There's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that are

Drew Hannush:
some that

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
awesome.

Drew Hannush:
are awesome

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Right, and they get it and know what they're doing and love North Carolina products

Drew Hannush:
products

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and

Drew Hannush:
and

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
New Hanover

Drew Hannush:
New Hanover

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
County,

Drew Hannush:
County,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
for example,

Drew Hannush:
for example,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
was

Drew Hannush:
was

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
awesome

Drew Hannush:
awesome

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to work

Drew Hannush:
to

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
with.

Drew Hannush:
work with.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
They

Drew Hannush:
They

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
put

Drew Hannush:
put

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
our

Drew Hannush:
our

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
product

Drew Hannush:
product

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in every

Drew Hannush:
in every

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
shelf

Drew Hannush:
shelf

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and every

Drew Hannush:
in

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
store

Drew Hannush:
every store

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
immediately,

Drew Hannush:
immediately

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the same

Drew Hannush:
the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
day.

Drew Hannush:
same day.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Other ones

Drew Hannush:
Other

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
have

Drew Hannush:
ones

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
their

Drew Hannush:
have their

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
own

Drew Hannush:
own

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
ways

Drew Hannush:
ways

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of doing

Drew Hannush:
of doing

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it to

Drew Hannush:
it

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
protect

Drew Hannush:
to protect

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
other

Drew Hannush:
other

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
skews

Drew Hannush:
skews

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and larger

Drew Hannush:
and larger

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
conglomerates

Drew Hannush:
conglomerates

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and the

Drew Hannush:
in

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
way

Drew Hannush:
the way

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that they

Drew Hannush:
that they

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
have to

Drew Hannush:
have

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
introduce

Drew Hannush:
to introduce

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
stuff,

Drew Hannush:
stuff,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
which makes

Drew Hannush:
which

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
sense,

Drew Hannush:
makes sense,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I guess,

Drew Hannush:
I guess,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
but

Drew Hannush:
but

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it takes

Drew Hannush:
it takes

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
forever

Drew Hannush:
forever

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to get

Drew Hannush:
to get

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in.

Drew Hannush:
in.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And then

Drew Hannush:
And

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to

Drew Hannush:
then

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
make

Drew Hannush:
to

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it

Drew Hannush:
make

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
even.

Drew Hannush:
it even

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
more difficult,

Drew Hannush:
more difficult,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the store

Drew Hannush:
the store

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
managers

Drew Hannush:
managers

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in most

Drew Hannush:
in

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
cases

Drew Hannush:
most cases

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
are the ones

Drew Hannush:
are the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that

Drew Hannush:
ones

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
choose

Drew Hannush:
that choose

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
where it

Drew Hannush:
where

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
sits

Drew Hannush:
it

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
on

Drew Hannush:
sits

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the shelf.

Drew Hannush:
on the shelf.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
So you have

Drew Hannush:
So

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to

Drew Hannush:
you

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
go

Drew Hannush:
have

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
into

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to go into

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
each store

Drew Hannush:
each store

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and see

Drew Hannush:
and

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
where

Drew Hannush:
see

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
they're

Drew Hannush:
where

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
putting

Drew Hannush:
they're putting

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it and

Drew Hannush:
it

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
then

Drew Hannush:
and

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
try

Drew Hannush:
then

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to

Drew Hannush:
try

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
fight

Drew Hannush:
to fight

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
for that

Drew Hannush:
for

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
shelf

Drew Hannush:
that shelf

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
space,

Drew Hannush:
space

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
whether it's

Drew Hannush:
whether

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
on the

Drew Hannush:
it's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
top

Drew Hannush:
on the top

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
shelf

Drew Hannush:
shelf

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of the bourbon

Drew Hannush:
of the bourbon

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
or the bottom

Drew Hannush:
or the bottom

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
or in the

Drew Hannush:
or

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
North

Drew Hannush:
in the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina

Drew Hannush:
North Carolina

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
section

Drew Hannush:
section

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
or both.

Drew Hannush:
or both

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I mean, there's

Drew Hannush:
I mean

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
so

Drew Hannush:
there's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
many

Drew Hannush:
so

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
different

Drew Hannush:
many different

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
variations

Drew Hannush:
variations

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
there.

Drew Hannush:
there

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
They're all

Drew Hannush:
they're

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
great

Drew Hannush:
all

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to

Drew Hannush:
great

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
work

Drew Hannush:
to

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
with,

Drew Hannush:
work

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
but

Drew Hannush:
with

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it

Drew Hannush:
but

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
just

Drew Hannush:
it just

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
is the

Drew Hannush:
it's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
time

Drew Hannush:
the time

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that it

Drew Hannush:
that

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
takes

Drew Hannush:
it takes

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to get in

Drew Hannush:
to

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
front

Drew Hannush:
get

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of

Drew Hannush:
in front

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
everybody,

Drew Hannush:
of everybody

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
do your

Drew Hannush:
do

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
tastings,

Drew Hannush:
your tastings

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
get into

Drew Hannush:
get

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
all

Drew Hannush:
into

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the

Drew Hannush:
all

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
boards.

Drew Hannush:
the boards and then

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
educate

Drew Hannush:
educate

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the hospitality

Drew Hannush:
the hospitality

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
sector

Drew Hannush:
sector

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
around

Drew Hannush:
around

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
those boards

Drew Hannush:
those boards

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that it's

Drew Hannush:
that it's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
then

Drew Hannush:
then

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
available

Drew Hannush:
available

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
for them to

Drew Hannush:
for them

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
order

Drew Hannush:
to

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
from.

Drew Hannush:
did you

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Out of

Drew Hannush:
yeah

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
state was complete opposite. It was like how it should be, in my opinion. It was unbelievable. We launched in October in North Carolina of 2022 with

Drew Hannush:
two

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
7,500

Drew Hannush:
with 7,500

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
bottles.

Drew Hannush:
bottles.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And

Drew Hannush:
And

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
we sold

Drew Hannush:
we sold

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
three

Drew Hannush:
three

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
times

Drew Hannush:
times

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that amount

Drew Hannush:
that amount

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in one

Drew Hannush:
in

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
week

Drew Hannush:
one week

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in March

Drew Hannush:
in March

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in South

Drew Hannush:
in

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina

Drew Hannush:
South Carolina

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
when we

Drew Hannush:
when

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
launched.

Drew Hannush:
we launched. Wow.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Um, three times

Drew Hannush:
Three

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
what

Drew Hannush:
times

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
we

Drew Hannush:
what

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
have

Drew Hannush:
we

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
sold

Drew Hannush:
have sold

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in North

Drew Hannush:
in

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina

Drew Hannush:
North Carolina

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
since October.

Drew Hannush:
since October. Yeah.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Uh, so whatever

Drew Hannush:
So whatever

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
we sold

Drew Hannush:
we sold

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in six

Drew Hannush:
in six

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
months in

Drew Hannush:
months

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
October.

Drew Hannush:
in October,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
From October

Drew Hannush:
from October

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to March

Drew Hannush:
to

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in

Drew Hannush:
March

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
North Carolina,

Drew Hannush:
in North Carolina,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
we tripled

Drew Hannush:
we tripled

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in South

Drew Hannush:
in

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina

Drew Hannush:
South Carolina

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
within the

Drew Hannush:
within

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
first,

Drew Hannush:
the first, I

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I don't know,

Drew Hannush:
don't

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
10

Drew Hannush:
know,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
days

Drew Hannush:
10

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of

Drew Hannush:
days.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
being

Drew Hannush:
Yeah.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in South Carolina.

Drew Hannush:
Well, then you send all your friends down across the border to,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.

Drew Hannush:
yeah. That's why our local shop here, they'll post, price in North Carolina, price in South Carolina. The difference

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.

Drew Hannush:
I say between North Carolina and South Carolina to me is that if you're trying to find a hard to find whiskey and you don't want to pay an exorbitant rate for it

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Alright,

Drew Hannush:
if it

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
alright.

Drew Hannush:
actually does exist, then you go to North Carolina because they don't price gouge there. Whereas you go...

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.

Drew Hannush:
I found a bottle of Jack Daniels 10 year the other day. It's a $80 price point and they were selling it for $350 in my local

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Right, yeah.

Drew Hannush:
store. I'm

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah. Yep.

Drew Hannush:
like. Yeah. So there's, you kind of weigh it and figure out. So is, are the Carolinas the only place you're at right now or have you expanded

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
We

Drew Hannush:
out?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
just

Drew Hannush:
We

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
got

Drew Hannush:
just

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
licensed

Drew Hannush:
got licensed

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
two weeks

Drew Hannush:
two

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
ago

Drew Hannush:
weeks ago

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in Tennessee.

Drew Hannush:
in Tennessee. Okay.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
We're launching

Drew Hannush:
We're launching

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
online

Drew Hannush:
online

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
sales

Drew Hannush:
sales

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
across

Drew Hannush:
across

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
all 47

Drew Hannush:
all 47

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
states

Drew Hannush:
states

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the next

Drew Hannush:
the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
30

Drew Hannush:
next 30

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
days.

Drew Hannush:
days

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And then we're

Drew Hannush:
and then

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
slowly

Drew Hannush:
we're slowly

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
working our

Drew Hannush:
working

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
way

Drew Hannush:
our

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
towards

Drew Hannush:
way towards.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Illinois and kind of up the

Drew Hannush:
the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Middle East or the Mid-Atlantic

Drew Hannush:
Middle

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
region of the United States.

Drew Hannush:
East or the Mid-Atlantic region of the United States. Okay. Let's talk a little bit about the whiskey itself and we'll jump in and do a tasting here as well. Talk about the process of coming up with a mash bill and where your corn is coming from.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
So the Mash

Drew Hannush:
So the Mashville,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Bill, we

Drew Hannush:
we

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
typically

Drew Hannush:
typically

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
don't

Drew Hannush:
don't

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
disclose,

Drew Hannush:
disclose,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
but

Drew Hannush:
but

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it's a

Drew Hannush:
it's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
little

Drew Hannush:
a little

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
bit of a

Drew Hannush:
bit

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
higher

Drew Hannush:
of a higher

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
rye.

Drew Hannush:
rye.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
It's not

Drew Hannush:
It's not

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
a

Drew Hannush:
a

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
full

Drew Hannush:
full

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
95,

Drew Hannush:
95,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
just by

Drew Hannush:
just by default, or

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
definition

Drew Hannush:
definition

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of bourbon.

Drew Hannush:
of bourbon.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
It's just

Drew Hannush:
It's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
a

Drew Hannush:
just

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
higher

Drew Hannush:
a higher

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
rye

Drew Hannush:
rye

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
with about

Drew Hannush:
with about

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
75%

Drew Hannush:
75%

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
corn.

Drew Hannush:
corn.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
The

Drew Hannush:
The

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
heirloom

Drew Hannush:
heirloom

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
series

Drew Hannush:
series

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Dark flying space testing. We had a lot of time on our hands. We did have that.

Drew Hannush:
We did have a lot of that. I can imagine. Yeah. Well, did you go through, uh, through losing taste and smell at any point during the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
No, luckily.

Drew Hannush:
Yeah, no, that was not fun. When I had that, I was without for six months. And you

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Oh

Drew Hannush:
wanna

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
man.

Drew Hannush:
talk about feeling lost, especially when I'm supposed to be reviewing whiskies on my

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Alright.

Drew Hannush:
YouTube channel. It's like, well, and the sad part was, I mean, I kind of agree with you, Jason, in terms of, you know, there's this doubt about your own palate because you kind of know what you like and I really didn't pay that much attention to. whiskeys before, now that I've flooded myself with whiskeys from around the world, it's opened me up and gotten me to a point where, okay, now I'm starting to notice things that aren't there. But I still lean on those tasting notes

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, for sure.

Drew Hannush:
because they can kind of help you. The thing that is tough with bourbon is that you can get very much into just that... Caramel note, the nutty oak coming in, and a little rye. And you just look for those three things every time you pick up a whiskey and you miss. What else is going on there? So, your whiskey will be a good one for me to demonstrate that yes, you can even get Big League Chew out of a whiskey. Nice. Even add...

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Nice. Yeah, even add an ice cube and where the water is from. I mean, it completely changes the drink. And you could have

Drew Hannush:
could have

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
four

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four

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different

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different

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same

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same

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drink

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drink

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with four

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with

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different

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four different

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types

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types

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of water

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of water

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and they

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in

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could

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it and they taste

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they

Drew Hannush:
completely

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taste completely

Drew Hannush:
different.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
different.

Drew Hannush:
Yeah. Well fantastic. Are you going to do, well in terms of this particular whiskey, will this always be in your collection of whiskies?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yes,

Drew Hannush:
Yeah.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
this is the flagship bottle that will be there forever. It's our constant. It's

Drew Hannush:
It's

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made

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made

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with

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with

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the same

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the same

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corn

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corn

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that

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that

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is made

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is made

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with

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with

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
all the

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all

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
other

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the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
bourbons

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other bourbons

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in the world,

Drew Hannush:
in the world

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
just about

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just about

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
95%

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95%

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of them.

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of them

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Also

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Also

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intentional,

Drew Hannush:
intentional,

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but

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but

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still

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still

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grown in

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grown

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North

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in

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Carolina.

Drew Hannush:
North Carolina

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
But we

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but

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wanted

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we wanted

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to create

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to create

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a constant

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a constant

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and

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and

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the best

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the best

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one we

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one

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could

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we could

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and

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and

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have

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have

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that

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that

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as the benchmark

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as the benchmark

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to

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to

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then

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then

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compare

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compare

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the other

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the other

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ones, the

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ones

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heirlooms

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the heirlooms

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that come

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that come

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out

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out

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
too.

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to

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And

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and

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at some

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at

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point,

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some point, you know,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
It becomes

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it becomes

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the,

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the

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hopefully,

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hopefully

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the flagship

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the flagship

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for

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for

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the

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the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
entire

Drew Hannush:
entire

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
state.

Drew Hannush:
state. Very nice, very nice. So if people want to learn more about you or keep up with what is going on with Cook's Mill, where's the best place for them to connect with you?

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah,

Drew Hannush:
Yeah,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I mean,

Drew Hannush:
I mean,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
email's

Drew Hannush:
email's

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
great,

Drew Hannush:
great,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
but

Drew Hannush:
but

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
our website,

Drew Hannush:
our website,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
cooksmealwhiskey.com,

Drew Hannush:
cooksmillwhiskey.com,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
has some

Drew Hannush:
has

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
history

Drew Hannush:
some history

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
on the mill

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on the

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
there,

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mill there,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Instagram,

Drew Hannush:
Instagram,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Facebook,

Drew Hannush:
Facebook,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
all the social

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all the social

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
media

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media

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handles,

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handles,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Twitter.

Drew Hannush:
Twitter.

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
But

Drew Hannush:
But

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
yeah,

Drew Hannush:
yeah,

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
we're

Drew Hannush:
we're

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
all over.

Drew Hannush:
all over. Fantastic. Jason and Jeannie, I really appreciate you going through, talking a little history at the beginning and then jumping in as well on, uh, on, on your whiskey and diving a little deeper into it. It's a, it's fun to see North Carolina actually now starting to move outside of the state's borders and seeing more of, uh, of, of a representation of a whiskey that, um, or, or a state who has a, Distilling tradition. It's just that thanks to prohibition in 1908. I believe it was It came to a halt and it's been waiting ever since so So thanks, and I appreciate you spending some time with us today

Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Thanks for having us. Thanks, Drew.

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