Ep. 98 - North Carolina's Whiskey Past and Present
JASON & JEANNE QUEEN // Cook's Mill Bourbon
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Did you know North Carolina has a long history of making whiskey? Join me as I chat with Jason and Jeanne Queen who are bringing back that old tradition, while preserving a grist mill that goes back to the very origins of the state of North Carolina. We'll taste their bourbon, talk NC agriculture, and what it takes to start a whiskey brand in the Tarheel State.
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Drew Hannush:
Welcome to Whiskey Lore, The Interviews. I'm your host, Drew Hanisch, the Amazon bestselling author of Whiskey Lore's travel guide to experiencing Kentucky bourbon and experiencing Irish whiskey. And today I am going to the state I grew up in, North Carolina, to talk about a little bit of Carolina whiskey history, dig into the history of a historic mill that may have had a little bit of a whiskey history itself, and also learn about Cook's Mill straight bourbon whiskey. which is a new spirit that is catching a lot of people's attention. Dusty Dan's been on the show before he did a recent review on it and gave it high marks. Fred Minick has done reviews on it and given it high marks. And so we'll talk a bit about the whiskey as well as we get into this. So welcome to the show. The founders of Cook's Mill, Jason and Jeannie Queen. How are you guys
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Bye,
Drew Hannush:
doing? How are you guys
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
mate.
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doing?
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Good, how are you?
Drew Hannush:
I'm doing good, doing good. So it's fun to chattel North Carolina whiskey history because I've been doing all this digging into Tennessee's whiskey history. And so I'll pick your brain on a couple of things that I've come across. But first, kind of give us an idea of how you discovered this old mill. And I'll talk a little bit about the mill that got you. eventually involved in creating this whiskey.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, you want to start? I'm sure. Um, see, it was our 10th wedding anniversary. And Jason drove me out in the middle of the woods. And he said, I was surprised.
Drew Hannush:
Thanks.
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I was like, what, what's going on? So we pull up to this old mill building and he had purchased it from preservation, North Carolina,
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North Carolina
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which is
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and dear
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to our
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heart
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our heart
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organization
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organization
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in North
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in
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Carolina.
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North Carolina.
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they
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preserve
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preserve.
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and work toward conservation of old buildings.
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of old buildings
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So
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so
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he had
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he had
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purchased
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purchased
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and was
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and
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like,
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was like
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surprise,
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surprise
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happy
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happy
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anniversary
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anniversary
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and
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and
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let's make
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in Burlington
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North Carolina
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and decided we wanted to. Restore
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the milk.
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we wanted to restore the mill. Yeah. So how much did you know about the history of the mill? Was it the mill, Jason, that you had passed by and you were curious about, but you didn't really know the history, or was it something that you kind of already knew what it was all about? I didn't know
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I didn't
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the mill
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know the mill at all.
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at all.
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It came
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It came.
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through Preservation North Carolina's listserv
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serve
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for sale.
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for sale
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different That was really interesting as I was doing my research into it to see how if you really wanted to establish... and a community somewhere, the first thing you built was a grist mill because that
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Yeah.
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gave people a place to come out. You could start a trading post, yes, but trading posts could be something where people are just you put it on a river and while people are passing by, not necessarily settling, whereas the grist mill really was the establishment of a community. Yeah, it's where everybody went to. I mean, you
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Yeah, it's where everybody went to.
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know,
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I mean, you know,
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agriculturally,
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selling and buying their goods.
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selling and buying their goods. So we're going all the way back to 1700s and I'm thinking it's really interesting because in doing research on Tennessee whiskey history that far back I'm really doing research into North Carolina whiskey history and one of the areas that I was curious about and I don't know how much you know about this or not but I just thought I'd throw it out there. is I've been doing research into Robertson County, Tennessee, which became a very big distilling center in the state of Tennessee pre-prohibition. And a lot of their distillers came from Edgecombe County, which Edgecombe County Tarboro is out on the western edge of the coastal plains of North Carolina. And as I was reading about it, I'm like, did they have... grist mills this far out because, and so I wasn't really finding much. There were plenty of taverns. So there was definitely a drinking culture there, but it seems like the grist mill, the grist mills in North Carolina probably went up to maybe around Raleigh, but didn't necessarily go much further than that. Does
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Yeah,
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that ring true?
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they're hard to find. Um,
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Cause it's not really a corn growing area. Once you start getting that, I mean tobacco,
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yes, but. Yeah. In Halifax
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I mean Halifax
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County.
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um, for larger
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with rye. Mm-hmm
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was
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for sure.
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what everybody drank because it was the traditional drink and what was interesting was that they got their sugar from sugar maple trees. rather than getting them from the West Indies like New England was getting it. So whereas I'm sure on the coast, they were probably picking up a lot more of the molasses that was coming up from
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the West Indies.
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and
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of what makes this research interesting is thinking about Western North Carolina and the fact that there are distillers up there that make sugar shine. And we're always under the assumption that was because they were looking for a quick way during prohibition to get their stills. rolling and be able to distill faster. But in reality, it probably had more to do with the fact that they had all those sugar maple trees around and everybody was producing their own sugar
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out of
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area. So what's interesting is how this, I mean how much did you know about North Carolina distilling history other than moonshine prior to getting into this?
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Drew Hannush:
on top of that. And there is this sense that corn is corn, but I think the reason that people get that impression is because... like the Scots do in Scotland, a lot of them use the same yeast strain. They just use a standard yeast strain and then everything else is what matters with it. In the U S it seems like corn is sort of taken for granted. And it, the deal in Ireland was the fact that accountants got into it and said, you know what, we can't keep using these low yielding Barley's we need to go with this standard barley that works for getting the most yields out And it caused a lot of these barley's to just disappear Because there was no need for them anymore. And so you kind of get a sense that corn You
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Drew Hannush:
know, maybe suffering from that same sort of a situation
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distilled bottles stored in North Carolina. Okay. So talk about that process of getting started with your own whiskey. First of all, was there a baseline whiskey or something that you were shooting for or did you kind of have your own impression of, no, I just know this is what I want?
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yeah, so you're talking about, you know, your bottom shelf stuff. It could be in the used barrel. It could be, you know, distilled higher, all the rest, all that. So, so it definitely makes sense. Bourbon is a, is a great term for that. What's interesting is watching distillers in Tennessee who are making Tennessee straight bourbon and ignoring going for the Tennessee whiskey designation, just
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just to be different. on what it is. But the reason I ask that question too is because it seems like you are doing everything you can to make sure that you're using North Carolina products. From what I understand, even your barrels are North Carolina sourced? The barrels aren't
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well, and that is always gonna be, that their coopers just aren't around anymore, they're just very specific places and. If you try to find a Cooper in North Carolina, it's probably gonna be a pretty expensive barrel, I would imagine. But it'd be interesting to know whether these, because I haven't really interviewed Coopers on the podcast before, and it'd be interesting to know if places like Kelvin Cooperage would actually allow you to bring in. barrels from out of Kentucky and have them make them there and then ship them back to you so that you could do that. Yeah, I don't
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know. Make it completely North Carolina. You also use rye and I understand your rye doesn't come from North Carolina, but the question is, Highwire is making a... Rye whiskey out of a rye that they're growing in South Carolina that they had found a strain I think it's called Paris or something. I can't remember but
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I know they have an Abruzzi ride or use an Italian ride that
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Yes,
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also grows in North Carolina
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that's it
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and we actually use that as well. I think I misspoke a previous podcast, but our ride is from
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is
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North Carolina. The Malted Barley
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from
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is not.
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North Carolina. The malted barley is not. Okay, okay. So talk a little bit about the road to getting a whiskey on the shelf in North Carolina and elsewhere. Growing up in North Carolina, knowing the three tier system and knowing how hard it is to get a whiskey on the shelf. or to find a whiskey on the shelf, what is the challenge to trying to get whiskey on the shelf in North Carolina? It
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It is
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is
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damn near
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damn
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impossible.
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near impossible. It is the hardest
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It is the hardest thing
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thing.
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that we've had to do from a startup
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startup
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spirits
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spirits
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company
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company
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to date.
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today
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a hundred,
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hundred and
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don't even
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anymore,
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know
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boards
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in North
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in
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Carolina,
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ABC
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boards.
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boards,
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there's
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dry.
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some that
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awesome.
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are awesome
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Right, and they get it and know what they're doing and love North Carolina products
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products
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and
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New Hanover
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from.
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did you
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Out of
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yeah
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state was complete opposite. It was like how it should be, in my opinion. It was unbelievable. We launched in October in North Carolina of 2022 with
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two
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7,500
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with 7,500
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bottles.
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bottles.
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And
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And
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we sold
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times
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in March
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in March
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in South
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in
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Carolina
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South Carolina
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when we
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when
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launched.
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we launched. Wow.
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Um, three times
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in North
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in
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since October.
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since October. Yeah.
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Uh, so whatever
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we sold
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in six
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months in
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months
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October.
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in October,
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from October
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to March
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in
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North Carolina,
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in North Carolina,
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we tripled
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in South
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Carolina
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Yeah.
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in South Carolina.
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Well, then you send all your friends down across the border to,
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Yeah.
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yeah. That's why our local shop here, they'll post, price in North Carolina, price in South Carolina. The difference
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Yeah.
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I say between North Carolina and South Carolina to me is that if you're trying to find a hard to find whiskey and you don't want to pay an exorbitant rate for it
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Alright,
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if it
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alright.
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actually does exist, then you go to North Carolina because they don't price gouge there. Whereas you go...
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Yeah.
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I found a bottle of Jack Daniels 10 year the other day. It's a $80 price point and they were selling it for $350 in my local
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Right, yeah.
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store. I'm
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like. Yeah. So there's, you kind of weigh it and figure out. So is, are the Carolinas the only place you're at right now or have you expanded
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We
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two weeks
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two
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ago
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weeks ago
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in Tennessee.
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in Tennessee. Okay.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
We're launching
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We're launching
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online
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sales
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towards
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way towards.
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Illinois and kind of up the
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the
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Middle East or the Mid-Atlantic
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Middle
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region of the United States.
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East or the Mid-Atlantic region of the United States. Okay. Let's talk a little bit about the whiskey itself and we'll jump in and do a tasting here as well. Talk about the process of coming up with a mash bill and where your corn is coming from.
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So the Mash
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So the Mashville,
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Bill, we
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but we
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Carolina
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locally
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part
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of the state
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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
This is a three char.
Drew Hannush:
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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
They are in a 20,000 barrel rick house. This
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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
No, luckily.
Drew Hannush:
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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, for sure.
Drew Hannush:
because they can kind of help you. The thing that is tough with bourbon is that you can get very much into just that... Caramel note, the nutty oak coming in, and a little rye. And you just look for those three things every time you pick up a whiskey and you miss. What else is going on there? So, your whiskey will be a good one for me to demonstrate that yes, you can even get Big League Chew out of a whiskey. Nice. Even add...
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Nice. Yeah, even add an ice cube and where the water is from. I mean, it completely changes the drink. And you could have
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Yeah. Well fantastic. Are you going to do, well in terms of this particular whiskey, will this always be in your collection of whiskies?
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yes,
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state.
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state. Very nice, very nice. So if people want to learn more about you or keep up with what is going on with Cook's Mill, where's the best place for them to connect with you?
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah,
Drew Hannush:
Yeah,
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I mean,
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email's
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great,
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but
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but
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our website,
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cooksmealwhiskey.com,
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cooksmillwhiskey.com,
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has some
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history
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some history
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on the mill
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on the
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there,
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mill there,
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Instagram,
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Facebook,
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all the social
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Drew Hannush:
all over. Fantastic. Jason and Jeannie, I really appreciate you going through, talking a little history at the beginning and then jumping in as well on, uh, on, on your whiskey and diving a little deeper into it. It's a, it's fun to see North Carolina actually now starting to move outside of the state's borders and seeing more of, uh, of, of a representation of a whiskey that, um, or, or a state who has a, Distilling tradition. It's just that thanks to prohibition in 1908. I believe it was It came to a halt and it's been waiting ever since so So thanks, and I appreciate you spending some time with us today
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Thanks for having us. Thanks, Drew.
Drew Hannush:
Welcome to Whiskey Lore, The Interviews. I'm your host, Drew Hanisch, the Amazon bestselling author of Whiskey Lore's travel guide to experiencing Kentucky bourbon and experiencing Irish whiskey. And today I am going to the state I grew up in, North Carolina, to talk about a little bit of Carolina whiskey history, dig into the history of a historic mill that may have had a little bit of a whiskey history itself, and also learn about Cook's Mill straight bourbon whiskey. which is a new spirit that is catching a lot of people's attention. Dusty Dan's been on the show before he did a recent review on it and gave it high marks. Fred Minick has done reviews on it and given it high marks. And so we'll talk a bit about the whiskey as well as we get into this. So welcome to the show. The founders of Cook's Mill, Jason and Jeannie Queen. How are you guys
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Bye,
Drew Hannush:
doing? How are you guys
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
mate.
Drew Hannush:
doing?
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Good, how are you?
Drew Hannush:
I'm doing good, doing good. So it's fun to chattel North Carolina whiskey history because I've been doing all this digging into Tennessee's whiskey history. And so I'll pick your brain on a couple of things that I've come across. But first, kind of give us an idea of how you discovered this old mill. And I'll talk a little bit about the mill that got you. eventually involved in creating this whiskey.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, you want to start? I'm sure. Um, see, it was our 10th wedding anniversary. And Jason drove me out in the middle of the woods. And he said, I was surprised.
Drew Hannush:
Thanks.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I was like, what, what's going on? So we pull up to this old mill building and he had purchased it from preservation, North Carolina,
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preserve.
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and work toward conservation of old buildings.
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of old buildings
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and decided we wanted to. Restore
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we wanted to restore the mill. Yeah. So how much did you know about the history of the mill? Was it the mill, Jason, that you had passed by and you were curious about, but you didn't really know the history, or was it something that you kind of already knew what it was all about? I didn't know
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I didn't
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people.
Drew Hannush:
different That was really interesting as I was doing my research into it to see how if you really wanted to establish... and a community somewhere, the first thing you built was a grist mill because that
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.
Drew Hannush:
gave people a place to come out. You could start a trading post, yes, but trading posts could be something where people are just you put it on a river and while people are passing by, not necessarily settling, whereas the grist mill really was the establishment of a community. Yeah, it's where everybody went to. I mean, you
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, it's where everybody went to.
Drew Hannush:
know,
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I mean, you know,
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agriculturally,
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agriculturally,
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and
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selling and buying their goods.
Drew Hannush:
selling and buying their goods. So we're going all the way back to 1700s and I'm thinking it's really interesting because in doing research on Tennessee whiskey history that far back I'm really doing research into North Carolina whiskey history and one of the areas that I was curious about and I don't know how much you know about this or not but I just thought I'd throw it out there. is I've been doing research into Robertson County, Tennessee, which became a very big distilling center in the state of Tennessee pre-prohibition. And a lot of their distillers came from Edgecombe County, which Edgecombe County Tarboro is out on the western edge of the coastal plains of North Carolina. And as I was reading about it, I'm like, did they have... grist mills this far out because, and so I wasn't really finding much. There were plenty of taverns. So there was definitely a drinking culture there, but it seems like the grist mill, the grist mills in North Carolina probably went up to maybe around Raleigh, but didn't necessarily go much further than that. Does
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Yeah,
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that ring true?
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I mean, I've never thought of it, but yeah, I mean, thinking
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thinking
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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
they're hard to find. Um,
Drew Hannush:
Cause it's not really a corn growing area. Once you start getting that, I mean tobacco,
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Yeah,
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yes, but. Yeah. In Halifax
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I mean Halifax
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County.
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um, for larger
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productions.
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with rye. Mm-hmm
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and
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that you traditionally hear
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hear about
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Carolina were more corn forward whiskies. Yeah, Tennessee was interesting and I don't know how much this creeps over to the eastern side of the Appalachian mountains, but rum prior to the Revolutionary War
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was
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for sure.
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what everybody drank because it was the traditional drink and what was interesting was that they got their sugar from sugar maple trees. rather than getting them from the West Indies like New England was getting it. So whereas I'm sure on the coast, they were probably picking up a lot more of the molasses that was coming up from
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the West Indies.
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coast.
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Drew Hannush:
Yeah, yeah, because they had sugar shacks everywhere. And so part
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and
Drew Hannush:
of what makes this research interesting is thinking about Western North Carolina and the fact that there are distillers up there that make sugar shine. And we're always under the assumption that was because they were looking for a quick way during prohibition to get their stills. rolling and be able to distill faster. But in reality, it probably had more to do with the fact that they had all those sugar maple trees around and everybody was producing their own sugar
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Hmm.
Drew Hannush:
out of
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it. So it just evolved, yeah. This is what's fun about digging back into it because there's so many assumptions that we make in terms of history and when you dig in, you know, you all of a sudden find that. places you didn't think had a particular history, like North Carolina. We don't really associate North Carolina with whiskey so much these days other than with moonshine. But one of the characters that I was following in my book to kind of demonstrate how long ago or how far back distilling in the Carolinas and Tennessee actually went was Herman Husband, who was
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Mm-hmm.
Drew Hannush:
a preacher and a... a man in the pre-revolutionary time that had basically created a mini rebellion in North Carolina. Now this is 20 plus years before the Whiskey Rebellion where George Washington had to go out to Western Pennsylvania and put that down. And Herman Husband was actually there too. And he was the last guy that was pardoned. by Washington for the Whiskey Rebellion. But so many of the distillers that I know of that became Tennessee distillers actually started out in North Carolina distilling. So the tradition was definitely there.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, for sure. It's been there a long time. And Herman's husband was one of the regulators, I believe,
Drew Hannush:
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in
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the regulator
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he was.
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movement, which was about, I don't know, five miles from the mill.
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elements, right?
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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
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Drew Hannush:
So, yeah, a lot of connections. Yeah, a lot of them,
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a lot of people that moved after the regular movement to Memphis or the Memphis area.
Drew Hannush:
area. So what's interesting is how this, I mean how much did you know about North Carolina distilling history other than moonshine prior to getting into this?
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
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Uh, I am solely
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solely
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definitely
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growing
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had Bootshine.
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up, you know, like I definitely had moonshine growing up or backyard wine. They would call it.
Drew Hannush:
Yeah.
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Dandelion
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Vandaline
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wine.
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wine. I haven't had it, but I've heard of it. There's a lot of those things. What's funny is growing up in Asheville, being so close to Maggie Valley where popcorn Sutton was and all of that going on, you heard a lot of things. You were also always told how strong the stuff was. And so it's really interesting to now be in and seeing that there's... you know, Old Smokey making legal moonshine now. But North Carolina really didn't jump in on the moonshine game when this distillation revolution seemed to come about, which seems curious.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, it took a while, but you know, I think North Carolina has always been that way with everything they do. Like, you know, it's for good or bad, it's a pretty
Drew Hannush:
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conservative
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state.
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exponential.
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exponential. Yeah. What, was there a point where it was really opened up for distilling? Was there, was there a law change or something that kind of spurred it on?
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here now. Yeah. So talk about the shape that the mill was in when you first got to it. Because I think about a 1700s mill, and I'm thinking, man, if that thing wasn't really kept up over the years, it could... definitely fall into disrepair very easily. So what kind of state did you find it in and were the millstones still there?
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Drew Hannush:
on top of that. And there is this sense that corn is corn, but I think the reason that people get that impression is because... like the Scots do in Scotland, a lot of them use the same yeast strain. They just use a standard yeast strain and then everything else is what matters with it. In the U S it seems like corn is sort of taken for granted. And it, the deal in Ireland was the fact that accountants got into it and said, you know what, we can't keep using these low yielding Barley's we need to go with this standard barley that works for getting the most yields out And it caused a lot of these barley's to just disappear Because there was no need for them anymore. And so you kind of get a sense that corn You
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know, maybe suffering from that same sort of a situation
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distilled bottles stored in North Carolina. Okay. So talk about that process of getting started with your own whiskey. First of all, was there a baseline whiskey or something that you were shooting for or did you kind of have your own impression of, no, I just know this is what I want?
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from. Right, well it's the same reason that Tennessee went all in on trying to get Tennessee whiskey as a designation
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, sure.
Drew Hannush:
because if you just call something whiskey, the standards in American rules are pretty Slack. So
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah. I'm gonna lose.
Drew Hannush:
yeah, so you're talking about, you know, your bottom shelf stuff. It could be in the used barrel. It could be, you know, distilled higher, all the rest, all that. So, so it definitely makes sense. Bourbon is a, is a great term for that. What's interesting is watching distillers in Tennessee who are making Tennessee straight bourbon and ignoring going for the Tennessee whiskey designation, just
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah,
Drew Hannush:
to be,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I am.
Drew Hannush:
just to be different. on what it is. But the reason I ask that question too is because it seems like you are doing everything you can to make sure that you're using North Carolina products. From what I understand, even your barrels are North Carolina sourced? The barrels aren't
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
The barrels aren't
Drew Hannush:
sourced
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
sourced
Drew Hannush:
in
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in our
Drew Hannush:
North
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
killer
Drew Hannush:
Carolina.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
necessarily, but they are from the Appalachian Mountains.
Drew Hannush:
Okay.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And so
Drew Hannush:
And so
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
whether
Drew Hannush:
whether
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it's
Drew Hannush:
it's...
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Ohio, North Carolina, West Virginia,
Drew Hannush:
West Virginia,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
nobody knows, I think
Drew Hannush:
nobody
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it's a
Drew Hannush:
knows,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
mix maybe
Drew Hannush:
I think
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
at
Drew Hannush:
it's
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the
Drew Hannush:
a
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
end
Drew Hannush:
mix
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of the
Drew Hannush:
maybe,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
day,
Drew Hannush:
at
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
but
Drew Hannush:
the end
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
we do
Drew Hannush:
of
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
use
Drew Hannush:
the
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the
Drew Hannush:
day, but we
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
West Virginia
Drew Hannush:
do use the West
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Great
Drew Hannush:
Virginia
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Barrel
Drew Hannush:
Great
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Company
Drew Hannush:
Barrel Company
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
as
Drew Hannush:
as
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
our coop ridge.
Drew Hannush:
our coop ridge. Oh, okay, we'll keep keeping it mountain based, at least
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.
Drew Hannush:
anyway there, yes. Try to find one in North
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
We tried
Drew Hannush:
Carolina.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to find one in North Carolina.
Drew Hannush:
Yeah,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.
Drew Hannush:
well, and that is always gonna be, that their coopers just aren't around anymore, they're just very specific places and. If you try to find a Cooper in North Carolina, it's probably gonna be a pretty expensive barrel, I would imagine. But it'd be interesting to know whether these, because I haven't really interviewed Coopers on the podcast before, and it'd be interesting to know if places like Kelvin Cooperage would actually allow you to bring in. barrels from out of Kentucky and have them make them there and then ship them back to you so that you could do that. Yeah, I don't
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, I don't know.
Drew Hannush:
know. Make it completely North Carolina. You also use rye and I understand your rye doesn't come from North Carolina, but the question is, Highwire is making a... Rye whiskey out of a rye that they're growing in South Carolina that they had found a strain I think it's called Paris or something. I can't remember but
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I know they have an Abruzzi ride or use an Italian ride that
Drew Hannush:
Yes,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
also grows in North Carolina
Drew Hannush:
that's it
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and we actually use that as well. I think I misspoke a previous podcast, but our ride is from
Drew Hannush:
is
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
North Carolina. The Malted Barley
Drew Hannush:
from
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
is not.
Drew Hannush:
North Carolina. The malted barley is not. Okay, okay. So talk a little bit about the road to getting a whiskey on the shelf in North Carolina and elsewhere. Growing up in North Carolina, knowing the three tier system and knowing how hard it is to get a whiskey on the shelf. or to find a whiskey on the shelf, what is the challenge to trying to get whiskey on the shelf in North Carolina? It
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
It is
Drew Hannush:
is
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
damn near
Drew Hannush:
damn
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
impossible.
Drew Hannush:
near impossible. It is the hardest
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
It is the hardest thing
Drew Hannush:
thing.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that we've had to do from a startup
Drew Hannush:
startup
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
spirits
Drew Hannush:
spirits
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
company
Drew Hannush:
company
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to date.
Drew Hannush:
today
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
There's
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There's
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
a hundred,
Drew Hannush:
a
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I
Drew Hannush:
hundred and
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
don't even
Drew Hannush:
I don't
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
know
Drew Hannush:
even
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
anymore,
Drew Hannush:
know
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
176
Drew Hannush:
176
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
boards
Drew Hannush:
boards
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in North
Drew Hannush:
in
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina,
Drew Hannush:
North Carolina
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
ABC
Drew Hannush:
ABC
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
boards.
Drew Hannush:
boards,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
There's only
Drew Hannush:
there's
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
a hundred
Drew Hannush:
only a
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
counties.
Drew Hannush:
hundred counties.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Some of those
Drew Hannush:
Some
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
are
Drew Hannush:
of those
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
dry.
Drew Hannush:
are dry
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
So if you
Drew Hannush:
So
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
have
Drew Hannush:
if
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
some
Drew Hannush:
you have
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
counties
Drew Hannush:
some counties
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that are three
Drew Hannush:
there are
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
or
Drew Hannush:
three
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
four,
Drew Hannush:
or four
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the boards
Drew Hannush:
boards
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in
Drew Hannush:
and
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
one.
Drew Hannush:
one
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And
Drew Hannush:
and
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
most times
Drew Hannush:
most
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
they
Drew Hannush:
times
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
don't talk
Drew Hannush:
they don't
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to
Drew Hannush:
talk
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
each other
Drew Hannush:
to each
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
at
Drew Hannush:
other
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
all.
Drew Hannush:
at all
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And there's some
Drew Hannush:
There's
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that are
Drew Hannush:
some that
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
awesome.
Drew Hannush:
are awesome
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Right, and they get it and know what they're doing and love North Carolina products
Drew Hannush:
products
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and
Drew Hannush:
and
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
New Hanover
Drew Hannush:
New Hanover
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
County,
Drew Hannush:
County,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
for example,
Drew Hannush:
for example,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
was
Drew Hannush:
was
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
awesome
Drew Hannush:
awesome
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to work
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to
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
with.
Drew Hannush:
work with.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
They
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They
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
put
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put
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
our
Drew Hannush:
our
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
product
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product
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in every
Drew Hannush:
in every
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
shelf
Drew Hannush:
shelf
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and every
Drew Hannush:
in
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
store
Drew Hannush:
every store
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
immediately,
Drew Hannush:
immediately
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the same
Drew Hannush:
the
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
day.
Drew Hannush:
same day.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Other ones
Drew Hannush:
Other
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
have
Drew Hannush:
ones
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
their
Drew Hannush:
have their
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
own
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own
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
ways
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ways
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of doing
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of doing
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it to
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it
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
protect
Drew Hannush:
to protect
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
other
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other
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
skews
Drew Hannush:
skews
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and larger
Drew Hannush:
and larger
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conglomerates
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conglomerates
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and the
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in
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the way
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that they
Drew Hannush:
that they
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
have to
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have
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introduce
Drew Hannush:
to introduce
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
stuff,
Drew Hannush:
stuff,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
which makes
Drew Hannush:
which
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
sense,
Drew Hannush:
makes sense,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I guess,
Drew Hannush:
I guess,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
but
Drew Hannush:
but
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it takes
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it takes
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
forever
Drew Hannush:
forever
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to get
Drew Hannush:
to get
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in.
Drew Hannush:
in.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And then
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And
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to
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then
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make
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to
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it
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make
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even.
Drew Hannush:
it even
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
more difficult,
Drew Hannush:
more difficult,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the store
Drew Hannush:
the store
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
managers
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managers
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in most
Drew Hannush:
in
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
cases
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most cases
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
are the ones
Drew Hannush:
are the
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that
Drew Hannush:
ones
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
choose
Drew Hannush:
that choose
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
where it
Drew Hannush:
where
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
sits
Drew Hannush:
it
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
on
Drew Hannush:
sits
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the shelf.
Drew Hannush:
on the shelf.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
So you have
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So
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to
Drew Hannush:
you
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
go
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have
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into
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to go into
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
each store
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each store
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
and see
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and
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
where
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see
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
they're
Drew Hannush:
where
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putting
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they're putting
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it and
Drew Hannush:
it
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
then
Drew Hannush:
and
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
try
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then
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to
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try
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
fight
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to fight
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for that
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for
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
shelf
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that shelf
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space,
Drew Hannush:
space
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
whether it's
Drew Hannush:
whether
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on the
Drew Hannush:
it's
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
top
Drew Hannush:
on the top
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
shelf
Drew Hannush:
shelf
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of the bourbon
Drew Hannush:
of the bourbon
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
or the bottom
Drew Hannush:
or the bottom
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
or in the
Drew Hannush:
or
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
North
Drew Hannush:
in the
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina
Drew Hannush:
North Carolina
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
section
Drew Hannush:
section
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
or both.
Drew Hannush:
or both
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I mean, there's
Drew Hannush:
I mean
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
so
Drew Hannush:
there's
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
many
Drew Hannush:
so
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different
Drew Hannush:
many different
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
variations
Drew Hannush:
variations
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there.
Drew Hannush:
there
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
They're all
Drew Hannush:
they're
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
great
Drew Hannush:
all
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to
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great
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
work
Drew Hannush:
to
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
with,
Drew Hannush:
work
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
but
Drew Hannush:
with
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it
Drew Hannush:
but
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
just
Drew Hannush:
it just
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
is the
Drew Hannush:
it's
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
time
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the time
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that it
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that
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takes
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it takes
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to get in
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to
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
front
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get
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of
Drew Hannush:
in front
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
everybody,
Drew Hannush:
of everybody
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
do your
Drew Hannush:
do
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
tastings,
Drew Hannush:
your tastings
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
get into
Drew Hannush:
get
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
all
Drew Hannush:
into
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the
Drew Hannush:
all
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
boards.
Drew Hannush:
the boards and then
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
educate
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educate
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
the hospitality
Drew Hannush:
the hospitality
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
sector
Drew Hannush:
sector
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
around
Drew Hannush:
around
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
those boards
Drew Hannush:
those boards
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that it's
Drew Hannush:
that it's
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
then
Drew Hannush:
then
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
available
Drew Hannush:
available
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
for them to
Drew Hannush:
for them
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
order
Drew Hannush:
to
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
from.
Drew Hannush:
did you
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Out of
Drew Hannush:
yeah
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
state was complete opposite. It was like how it should be, in my opinion. It was unbelievable. We launched in October in North Carolina of 2022 with
Drew Hannush:
two
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
7,500
Drew Hannush:
with 7,500
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
bottles.
Drew Hannush:
bottles.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And
Drew Hannush:
And
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
we sold
Drew Hannush:
we sold
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
three
Drew Hannush:
three
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
times
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times
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
that amount
Drew Hannush:
that amount
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in one
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in
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
week
Drew Hannush:
one week
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in March
Drew Hannush:
in March
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in South
Drew Hannush:
in
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina
Drew Hannush:
South Carolina
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
when we
Drew Hannush:
when
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
launched.
Drew Hannush:
we launched. Wow.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Um, three times
Drew Hannush:
Three
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
what
Drew Hannush:
times
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
we
Drew Hannush:
what
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
have
Drew Hannush:
we
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
sold
Drew Hannush:
have sold
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in North
Drew Hannush:
in
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina
Drew Hannush:
North Carolina
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
since October.
Drew Hannush:
since October. Yeah.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Uh, so whatever
Drew Hannush:
So whatever
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
we sold
Drew Hannush:
we sold
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in six
Drew Hannush:
in six
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
months in
Drew Hannush:
months
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
October.
Drew Hannush:
in October,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
From October
Drew Hannush:
from October
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
to March
Drew Hannush:
to
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in
Drew Hannush:
March
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
North Carolina,
Drew Hannush:
in North Carolina,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
we tripled
Drew Hannush:
we tripled
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in South
Drew Hannush:
in
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Carolina
Drew Hannush:
South Carolina
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
within the
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within
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
first,
Drew Hannush:
the first, I
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I don't know,
Drew Hannush:
don't
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
10
Drew Hannush:
know,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
days
Drew Hannush:
10
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of
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days.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
being
Drew Hannush:
Yeah.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in South Carolina.
Drew Hannush:
Well, then you send all your friends down across the border to,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.
Drew Hannush:
yeah. That's why our local shop here, they'll post, price in North Carolina, price in South Carolina. The difference
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.
Drew Hannush:
I say between North Carolina and South Carolina to me is that if you're trying to find a hard to find whiskey and you don't want to pay an exorbitant rate for it
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Alright,
Drew Hannush:
if it
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
alright.
Drew Hannush:
actually does exist, then you go to North Carolina because they don't price gouge there. Whereas you go...
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah.
Drew Hannush:
I found a bottle of Jack Daniels 10 year the other day. It's a $80 price point and they were selling it for $350 in my local
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Right, yeah.
Drew Hannush:
store. I'm
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah. Yep.
Drew Hannush:
like. Yeah. So there's, you kind of weigh it and figure out. So is, are the Carolinas the only place you're at right now or have you expanded
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
We
Drew Hannush:
out?
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
just
Drew Hannush:
We
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
got
Drew Hannush:
just
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
licensed
Drew Hannush:
got licensed
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
two weeks
Drew Hannush:
two
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
ago
Drew Hannush:
weeks ago
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
in Tennessee.
Drew Hannush:
in Tennessee. Okay.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
We're launching
Drew Hannush:
We're launching
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
online
Drew Hannush:
online
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
sales
Drew Hannush:
sales
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
across
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across
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
all 47
Drew Hannush:
all 47
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
states
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states
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the next
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the
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
30
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next 30
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
days.
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days
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
And then we're
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and then
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slowly
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we're slowly
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working our
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working
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
way
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our
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
towards
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way towards.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Illinois and kind of up the
Drew Hannush:
the
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Middle East or the Mid-Atlantic
Drew Hannush:
Middle
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
region of the United States.
Drew Hannush:
East or the Mid-Atlantic region of the United States. Okay. Let's talk a little bit about the whiskey itself and we'll jump in and do a tasting here as well. Talk about the process of coming up with a mash bill and where your corn is coming from.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
So the Mash
Drew Hannush:
So the Mashville,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Bill, we
Drew Hannush:
we
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
typically
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typically
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
don't
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don't
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
disclose,
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disclose,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
but
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but
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
it's a
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it's
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
little
Drew Hannush:
a little
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bit of a
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bit
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
higher
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of a higher
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
rye.
Drew Hannush:
rye.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
It's not
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It's not
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full
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full
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95,
Drew Hannush:
95,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
just by
Drew Hannush:
just by default, or
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
definition
Drew Hannush:
definition
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
of bourbon.
Drew Hannush:
of bourbon.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
It's just
Drew Hannush:
It's
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
a
Drew Hannush:
just
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
higher
Drew Hannush:
a higher
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
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Drew Hannush:
rye
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
with about
Drew Hannush:
with about
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
75%
Drew Hannush:
75%
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
corn.
Drew Hannush:
corn.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
The
Drew Hannush:
The
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
heirloom
Drew Hannush:
heirloom
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
series
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series
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This is a three char.
Drew Hannush:
This is a three char. Is a three char. Okay. I was wondering because, I mean, how aggressive is the aging on this? Are you storing these in bigger rick houses or are these in kind of a smaller facility?
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Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Dark flying space testing. We had a lot of time on our hands. We did have that.
Drew Hannush:
We did have a lot of that. I can imagine. Yeah. Well, did you go through, uh, through losing taste and smell at any point during the
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
No, luckily.
Drew Hannush:
Yeah, no, that was not fun. When I had that, I was without for six months. And you
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Oh
Drew Hannush:
wanna
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
man.
Drew Hannush:
talk about feeling lost, especially when I'm supposed to be reviewing whiskies on my
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Alright.
Drew Hannush:
YouTube channel. It's like, well, and the sad part was, I mean, I kind of agree with you, Jason, in terms of, you know, there's this doubt about your own palate because you kind of know what you like and I really didn't pay that much attention to. whiskeys before, now that I've flooded myself with whiskeys from around the world, it's opened me up and gotten me to a point where, okay, now I'm starting to notice things that aren't there. But I still lean on those tasting notes
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah, for sure.
Drew Hannush:
because they can kind of help you. The thing that is tough with bourbon is that you can get very much into just that... Caramel note, the nutty oak coming in, and a little rye. And you just look for those three things every time you pick up a whiskey and you miss. What else is going on there? So, your whiskey will be a good one for me to demonstrate that yes, you can even get Big League Chew out of a whiskey. Nice. Even add...
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Nice. Yeah, even add an ice cube and where the water is from. I mean, it completely changes the drink. And you could have
Drew Hannush:
could have
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four
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four
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different
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different
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same
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same
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drink
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drink
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with four
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with
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different
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four different
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types
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types
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of water
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of water
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and they
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in
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could
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it and they taste
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they
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completely
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taste completely
Drew Hannush:
different.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
different.
Drew Hannush:
Yeah. Well fantastic. Are you going to do, well in terms of this particular whiskey, will this always be in your collection of whiskies?
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yes,
Drew Hannush:
Yeah.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
this is the flagship bottle that will be there forever. It's our constant. It's
Drew Hannush:
It's
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made
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made
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with
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with
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the same
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the same
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corn
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corn
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that
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that
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is made
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is made
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with
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with
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all the
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all
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other
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the
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bourbons
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other bourbons
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in the world,
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in the world
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just about
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just about
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95%
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95%
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of them.
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of them
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Also
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Also
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intentional,
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intentional,
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but
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but
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still
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still
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grown in
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grown
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North
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in
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Carolina.
Drew Hannush:
North Carolina
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
But we
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but
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wanted
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we wanted
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to create
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to create
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a constant
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a constant
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and
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and
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the best
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the best
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one we
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one
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could
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we could
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and
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and
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have
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have
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that
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that
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as the benchmark
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as the benchmark
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to
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to
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then
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then
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compare
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compare
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the other
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the other
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ones, the
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ones
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heirlooms
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the heirlooms
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that come
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that come
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out
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out
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too.
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to
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and
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at some
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at
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point,
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some point, you know,
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It becomes
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it becomes
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the,
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the
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hopefully,
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hopefully
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the flagship
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the flagship
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for
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for
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the
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the
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entire
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entire
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state.
Drew Hannush:
state. Very nice, very nice. So if people want to learn more about you or keep up with what is going on with Cook's Mill, where's the best place for them to connect with you?
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Yeah,
Drew Hannush:
Yeah,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
I mean,
Drew Hannush:
I mean,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
email's
Drew Hannush:
email's
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
great,
Drew Hannush:
great,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
but
Drew Hannush:
but
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
our website,
Drew Hannush:
our website,
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cooksmealwhiskey.com,
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cooksmillwhiskey.com,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
has some
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has
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history
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some history
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
on the mill
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on the
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
there,
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mill there,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Instagram,
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Instagram,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Facebook,
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Facebook,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
all the social
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all the social
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media
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media
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handles,
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handles,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Twitter.
Drew Hannush:
Twitter.
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
But
Drew Hannush:
But
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
yeah,
Drew Hannush:
yeah,
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
we're
Drew Hannush:
we're
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
all over.
Drew Hannush:
all over. Fantastic. Jason and Jeannie, I really appreciate you going through, talking a little history at the beginning and then jumping in as well on, uh, on, on your whiskey and diving a little deeper into it. It's a, it's fun to see North Carolina actually now starting to move outside of the state's borders and seeing more of, uh, of, of a representation of a whiskey that, um, or, or a state who has a, Distilling tradition. It's just that thanks to prohibition in 1908. I believe it was It came to a halt and it's been waiting ever since so So thanks, and I appreciate you spending some time with us today
Jason and Jeanne Queen:
Thanks for having us. Thanks, Drew.